That's it, it's over, then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America. You know what do you call people you can't call to? Enemies. And if we want to divide our society into......arms, camps, and enmity, all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing. Eletical edge of the event has turned into an opportunity for the left to push a racial and radical agenda. Implementing their radical agenda is the only thing they care about their bad acts. But they want to do here this ramp, their radical agenda down your throat. This is great Americans, these are people that want to see great things that they got to. You know, they try and build a blanket, but of a radical agenda. It's not a radical agenda, let's go. The second amendment. Today, Monday. April 1st, 2024. Serial politics will not air a schedule, but the radical agenda will. That's because the material that we've got for tonight is way too spicy, folks. So you're going to get a show, but it's going to have some Fs in it, and I think you're going to like it. It's going to be really good. We got, we got a couple of these Grinder calls on the prior member show. I had unveiled for the first time what I expect to be the first of many interviews with users of the GPS based all male dating app known as Grinder. Today for the entirety of the two and a half hour radical agenda episode, I'll be presenting two more such recordings. The first is a gay male who was surprisingly forthcoming. We talked about his discovery of his sexuality, how culture impacts perceptions of sexuality, the phenomenon of females invading the app in the name of transgenderism and the popularity of met them fetamine in the Grinder meat market. As if one cue just after this, I had the opportunity to record with one such female as mentioned above. This one was not even on testosterone or having any surgical interventions to facilitate the delusion. Her manhood was entirely a declaratory matter. This call went on much longer than the first and now holds the title of the most hostile interview I've conducted so far on the platform. There was per customs, a modio trouble in the first 45 seconds of the call. Those problems are resolved with the reboot of the computer I was recording on and the remainder of the recording is in proper order. I think these calls are going to be a big hit so if you want to keep the show going, do pay me, will you? ChristopherCantwell.net slash donate, give singo.com slash spm, cash app edgy chris strike payments strike dot me slash can't well, and you can find all my crypto keys and whatnot at ChristopherCantwell.net slash donate. If you go to if you want to send me something to the mail, send it to ChristopherCantwell for 197 hook set road unit 312, Manchester, New Hampshire, 03104. Hello, my friend. How are you? I'm all right. You okay? Yeah. Okay, great, great, great. And so thanks for taking the time. As I mentioned, the call to be recorded for podcasts. I tell you more about the podcast, but I don't want that to influence your answers. Okay, I've been doing this for over 10 years. I know what I'm doing. I'm going to treat you with the utmost respect. And if you don't like what happens, I'll delete your recording. Okay, buddy? Okay. Okay, great. So how long you've been on grinder? Uh, maybe I probably got on there around K 12. 2012. Okay. And let me pull up your profile here while I talk to you. Uh, you're 35 years old. 2012. Do the math for me. How old? Hello, Jesus Christ. I'm sorry about that, buddy. I'm so sorry. Um, we got it all worked out. And I have, uh, I have a backup system in place as well. Okay, so it's not going to happen again. I'm very grateful for your time. And so, um, let me just start. You started to tell me when you knew your gay. And let's pick it up from there. Can you, can you just act like I just asked you that question. We'll go from there. Um, sir, yeah. Um, I didn't find out like I didn't really experience gay culture or anything close to it. And so after I graduated high school and, um, the 21, I moved out to New Orleans. Um, my mom's from New Orleans. And, uh, that's where I started getting online really. And my first app was scrub. It wasn't even grinder. And, uh, you said you didn't meet another gay person until you were 18. Was it? Right. And, and was it through, was it through scruff that you found this person? No, um, it was actually through my space. The end of, of like where you could filter people close to you based on their sexual orientation. And, uh, first guy I met, um, was through that way. Um, I didn't even know. So like, I'm not familiar with the time I use apps. So like, I think of my space as being something that's obsolete and scruff. I only just heard about scruff recently. How long ago? What year was this? Uh, well, my space, uh, that was probably like 2000. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm talking to a 35 year old guy and you're telling me that it was 18. It was a while ago. It makes better sense now. I'm sorry. And so like, uh, I, yeah. A lot of the, a lot of the people I've spoken to for this thing are a little bit younger. I'm sorry. It's, uh, it's my fault. So anyway, the, the, so you meet this person and, um, where did you first meet in person? Well, actually, um, he lived in just like the next town over. Uh, so I told him where I worked, which was a grocery store or a program. And, uh, based on pictures, like I kind of spotted him in there one day and we kind of met that way. Like we talked online and then we actually met in person, just, you know, encounter each other in public. Yeah. And so, um, when you, when you first met, did you meet further went when you started talking to him? How quick did it go to sex? Oh, usually, like, right. Pretty, pretty quick. That's, I mean, I was 18. I was a virgin. I was well, amazing. But, um, yeah, I was, I was ready to get that done and over with just to get it done and over with. I mean, my sisters, they went, we were in the same classes together pretty much for two years apart and they were having sex at like 12 and 13. So I was like, yeah, the conversation with the sex pretty quickly in our first day, um, was pretty much just sex. Our relationship actually. When you, uh, did you have any, um, intimate relationships with women in the course of your life? Like sexually, no, you know, romantic, no, nothing like that. Not even a beard, a girlfriend. I'm sorry. You said, what was the word you turned you used before girlfriend? A beard beard girlfriend? Yeah, beard, you know, it's a, a girlfriend to have just the sort of skies your gain is. Oh, okay. I'm, I'm unfamiliar with that term. Okay. So a beard girlfriend is a, is a, is a terminology to describe, um, a, like basically a girlfriend for cover purposes. Okay. All right. That makes sense. Um, and so the, uh, you meet with this guy. How long did you have this intimate relationship with that guy? Oh, four months. What ended it? Uh, his personality. Yeah. I mean, I was strictly on sex and I didn't like how he treated his parents and other stuff. But, um, I mean, he was a good starter guy. Okay. And did you, when you start figuring out your sex life, I mean, so you are on Grindr, you classify yourself as a, uh, verse bottom. Why don't you tell me just to you, what does that term mean? A verse bottom to me is I am, well, I like to put it bottom verse. They have it like worded that way on the site. But I go bottom first because I'm primarily bottom. That's what I know. That's what I'm good at. That's what I enjoy. Uh, but I verse because I will talk. Uh, it just, it really depends on the guy and the environment and other, you know, surrounding, uh, detail. Uh, I get insecure back because I don't really do with that much. But, uh, yeah, basically you do, you do both. And there's a joke that, you know, a verse bottom is really just a bottom. Uh, but that's because all game in when they experience it, enjoy that position, most, mostly. And that's, that's just what, what I came, the inclusion I came to. Well, you know, I'll tell you what I am in studying for this, this podcast series. I, I decided to watch a little bit of game porn. And I had to say it seemed to be like the bottoms were having a lot more fun than the tops of a lot of cases. And so I, I believe that this is the case based upon that information. Um, and so, uh, I'm sorry to say again. Everyone hates to admit, I mean, we're not everyone. A lot of game and, you know, because they're still trying to figure out their sexuality and masculine and feminine and where, where do they fit in. And they think that if they enjoy being bottom and they admit to that, then that makes them look like a feminine gay guy. So you got a lot of gay dudes who will say a lot of gay dudes would say their top online, like on Grindr, we'll talk and they'll be top and I'll be bottom, but then we'll get in person. And physically that want to switch it up. And, uh, yeah, that's, uh, it's a bit of, um, you got for signs when you're talking to them. That's all. That's, that's an interesting point that you make. Now, you know, my conception of it and I confess I'm sort of probably not very well informed on the topic, but like, I've noticed that there's a pretty big personality difference sometimes between the people that I talk to who describe themselves as tops and people who describe themselves as bottoms. And so it seems to be like there's, there's a sort of predisposition towards one of the other. Can you speak to that point? Oh, yeah. Um, I mean, I, I, I start out wanting to bottom. Just, I just knew us what I wanted to do and it turns out that's what I primarily mostly am, but I, uh, I wasn't, I didn't tend to be straight and I didn't place sports. I wasn't like this rough and tumble boy, but I wasn't also super feminine either. And it's like, it's sort of guys who grow up in a certain environment where they're expected to be, you know, a football player or expected to be fit in with the guys, you know, a lot of the time. They'll, which they do goes the up to their sexuality. It'll be, it might, it might not be, uh, in the same way. They might keep it to themselves for, for longer. And then when they come out, they might be reluctant to admit that they like to take up the ass because that's what girls do. Um, and they don't want to be, they don't want to be considered a gay guy, but they also don't want to be considered a girl and, I mean, gay men are just, they're men. They're, they're that and, I mean, top or bottom, I don't really, I mean, I think the labels are kind of stupid anyway. I mean, you like what you like, but then, you know, you know, grinders is a great place for people to go. People to get on there and just they'll talk dirty and they'll get their, their rocks off and then they're, they're done. They'll trade picks. They'll talk about getting together. They'll leave you on. And then, I mean, then they'll just block you. You know, it's just. It is, um, that I'm sorry. I knew me to cut your point off. Go ahead. You go ahead. So, uh, all right. I'm interested to talk to you more about sort of the superficial, um, you know, the deceptions that go on in there. But I want to say that can you, can you give me a time limit? Cause you're the way that you're describing some of the gender expectations is, is really fascinating to me. But I don't know how much time I have to probe that. Can you tell me how long that I have you on the phone? How long before you have to go? Oh, we'll get to you like half hour. You, you, all right. So I should, I should plan for 30 minutes more than this. Yeah. Okay. All right. So I think that's an interesting point that you touch on that that the being seen as the bottom is a more an effeminate associated behavior. And, yeah. And so guys who are, say, new to it and trying to figure out their personality, they might tend to start as a top and then that they gravitate towards bottom later on. And you think that that is largely a consequence of them being insecure about being seen as effeminate. Is that a fair characterization of what you said? Yeah. They, they haven't really fully accepted their, their sexuality themselves yet. So they're cleaning to whatever little piece of it of their traditional masculine role, I guess. You know, they're cleaning to it and we most of the time I feel like the guys who are actual tops like to prefer to top. They're actually tend to be the more effeminate and a lot of bottoms are going to be more like, you know, rugby player these. That's fascinating. Okay. And so I'm sorry, this is I'm a little bit unprepared for this, but I'm going down this road because that's really interesting the way that you're describing the gender expectations of it. I'm going to completely skip the user interface and stuff like that because now I want to talk to you about gender. Do you see in your area, there are many accounts that show up on Grindr, purporting to be straight people who are just like, you know, trying to get off or whatever. Oh, they will put themselves on their ass, ass straight like they're not gay, they're only, they only like to get their dicks up or whatever. But yeah, yeah, they'll, they'll, they'll hold the label near and dear or you know, because they'll date girls, but fuck guys and they don't, they don't, they don't fuck, they don't date guys. Yeah, they want to have the dude on the side and then have the wife at home kind of a thing I guess. Now, I think that the social scientists would say that there's a difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Do you agree with that and how does that relate to your perceptions of the guys who purport to be straight on Grindr? Well, I think that some of them are, they get off on it, they get off on playing the straight guy role, who's, you know, hanging with their bro and, you know, no one's around, so, you know, fuck my dick, you know. Yeah, it's part of it is they finish the whole thing and then part of it is these guys are struggling still. Some of them are married. Some of them have been married 50 years and have just got on Grindr, some of them have been having sex with them longer than women and it's, it's really great. It's very, I mean, it does vary. It's just, I think Grindr has its tendency to put labels on everything just because that's how it's set up, you know. Do you think that, well, let me, let me ask you this then, if you're in control of the Grindr labeling system, which, you know, I guess it exists for a reasonable purpose, which is people are looking for something they want to be able to filter for that. If you were designing those filters, how would you design them? Well, I probably wouldn't, I'd say the truth, I probably wouldn't change too, too much because it is a big thing in the gay community. I mean, so many guys I know love a straight guy. Even though we all know he's not really straight, but it's still, I mean, there's still part of the community. I mean, if you meet them there and then see them again, then they're part of the community. So I wouldn't change the filters that much, but I would try to please, I mean, Grindr could use less fam, less, I hate to say this, but, the transgender community, you know, I'd look at Grindr as, I mean, I know it's probably supposed to be all inclusive, but my impression of it was, you know, four gay men. And I just think, you know, transgender, they should have their own network, you know. I think that that's a fair point and it's raised actually by a lot of the people that I've discussed with in the course of this in the series that on the, well, let me ask you this, do you view this as, what you just said, do you think that applies equally to MTFs and FTMs? You know, that's a good question because, I mean, I'm not, it makes, maybe I'll just, while you think about it, let me, let me try to shed some light on the point of my question, right? So, you know, there's, there's the, the MTFs are basically, you know, they're on there and they're males and they're, you know, for whatever reason, they have a diversity of motive side to make themselves appear more feminine. And that's, I've noticed that plenty of people who are not transgender on Grindr, who, especially those who describe themselves as bottoms, take on a lot of feminine traits. And so there may be just taking you a little bit further. But on the other hand, you have these FTMs who are basically, they're on there with vaginas talking about, I'm a gay man because I've taken on a masculine appearance through the course of altering my body with hormones. And so, and in the course of my discussing this with other other gay men on Grindr, they basically said they don't have any problem with the MTFs. They're, they're primary concerns to the FTMs and I'll, I'll let you go with your thought. I, I have an encounter to any, actually, at least not that I know of. You have an encounter in FTMs. If you want to email, you know. Okay. I mean, I might have, and just wasn't aware, and they were working broadcasting it. But I mean, I mean, definitely, it obviously happens. But I mean, yeah, I would kind of think if you're, if you're outdoor plumbing, then, sure, be on Grindr. And door plumbing, go somewhere else. Okay. So that's the idea. Your basic, your, your conception of who's supposed to be on that app is. I need them to have a dick. So that's why I don't want them to. And so, I mean, but you're telling me that you haven't encountered any of these people, but it seems to be, it's, it's something that you're irritated enough by to bring it up without prompting during your radio interview. So, so can you maybe elaborate on that? Well, just because it's a, sort of a fear of mine. Like I've never encountered one or had anybody try to, you know, place themselves off as, the other, as a man when they're, well, you know what? I haven't experienced that, but a friend of mine has. Now that I think about it, he's, he's into that. And yeah, he was showing me one, this one kid who was really, really cute. And then he's like, that's a female male. And I'm like, what? Like, I was like, that is illegal. Like, that should not even happen. You know, wow, I might have to have you back on a couple of times if you've only got a half hour tonight, but because, because that's interesting. So your friend who, who has, who's into this, you say, is, does he describe himself as a gay man, or is he like a straight guy who is looking for pussy on Grindr? He has, he's gay, he's the top. He does not bottom. So I think that might be part of the appeal. He's not as, as into the actual penis, as I am maybe. But he's a, and he also likes that type of guy. The slender, soft, thin, like, like, just a feminine gay guy. But then he sees, you know, you see a picture of that. I mean, if it doesn't, turning off, and it turns young, then yeah, I mean, but that sexuality though, you know, I think all human sexuality is mostly fluid. Well, I'll, I'll challenge you a little bit on that. Okay, like, I think that it's fair to say spectrum. I don't know about fluid, right? I mean, do you think it changes just like as, you know, as a liquid in a cup bite as the cup moves? I mean, it seems to be that, for my understanding of it, that these things are, maybe not, they might not be permanently fixed, but they're fairly sturdy, what do you say? Well, I think people don't really know what they're into, and until they come across it in person, you know, I could say that I'm not into females all I want, but who's to say that I won't meet a person who just happens to be female or female to male, it does it for me, you know, I'm open-minded enough to think that's the possibility. But I think that, you know, human sexuality, I mean, a spectrum, yeah, that makes, that sounds better. But it's definitely, I mean, people have a high, their true sexuality for people and themselves for so long, especially, you know, in the past, and even with things like grinder and all these other apps, you know, you would think it would be easier, but people still, they still struggle with themselves to figure out what they're into and what they're not and what it's okay to be into and what state I'm living in and what part of the state. It's very well put, and so, you know, I saw a recent poll from Gallup that said, I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but the thing that stands out in my mind is something to the effect of, 30% of Gen Z women identify as LGBTQ. Now, if you probe that a little bit, they say they're like, they're bisexual, they're queer, whatever, they're not actually identifying as lesbians, and this is not apply equally to the men, do you think, now what you just, it seems to me that that seems to be more in line with your fluid theory, say that like, it seems to me that there's a cultural change, and this is influencing people to move in that direction. And do you think that, if you view it as fluid, do you think that cultural things can push people towards or against same-sex interactions? If they love, I mean, if they allow it, you know, women have always been able, I mean, even, like I remember being a kid, and lesbians, oh, they're so hot, and let's watch Girl Ressler's kids on WWF, and you know, that was okay, but you get two guys together and people want to form a mob, you know, it's always been seen as hot, you know, two hot lesbians, you know, not two really butch bull-died ladies, they have a, it's all catered around, you know, male, the male eyes, you know, as they say. I've got a theory on that, you know, that basically, you know, there's, I'll just, I'm going to try not to talk about myself too much in this interview, but what you say is interesting to me there, because, you know, like, I've, shall we say, been educated and matured a bit, but like, my, my youngest memory is thinking about male homosexuality, we're literally like revolting, right? Like, I was like, this is gross, like, I can't believe that anybody would do that, and then when I, but I had a completely different opinion about females, right? I was like, oh, yeah, the two girls kissing is like the hottest thing I've ever seen or whatever, and so, and so, you know, as I, as I sort of tried to understand that later in life, and I started talking about, you know, social and political issues on the show, I came to believe that maybe that, it seems, and it also seems to me that women, it's not just mad, but like, like women have an interesting relationship with male homosexuality. I discovered, for example, that, like, actually most gay, erotical authors are females who are writing for a female audience, and that shocked the crap out of me, because I'm like, why would, well, what is the thing that they would be reading about? But I came to the view that, you know, okay, for probably most of mankind's existence, you know, prior to written history at the very least, like, were polygeneous creatures, that basically the, you know, the reproductive model of mankind, just, you know, one man with multiple females, and... Right, and then it was probably for purpose, you know, back then, to keep everybody on that level, you know, you guys of girls, make sure you're procreate, you know, guys, you know, don't waste your seed on the guys. Well, wait a second, no, no, no, but what I'm getting at this is this, right? So, I think it's interesting that, if we look at a biological history of mankind, it's like, literally, we're harem animals, right? That, like, the men are, the men typically have more than one wife, but, you know, that can lead to a tremendous amount of conflict, right? And then, you guys are like, hey, you know, you've got all the girls, I'm going to kill you, basically, you know. Well, you think that, like, Rome and Greece and all that, there was, there was, like, that kind of text going on all the time, and it wasn't anything out of the ordinary, it's just that, you know, when they were there with their wives, that's what it was about, I mean, I assume. If you ever heard the phrase, women are for children, boys are for pleasure. No, well, I mean, I heard something similar, kind of, but... Tell me about that similar phrase. Say yours again. The phrase that I used was, women are for children, boys are for pleasure, and you say you've heard something similar to that, and I'm really interested to know what that is. Billy Faggot, Dick's for Chick. That's the same point. Yeah, because, uh, boys, yeah, if you... Yeah, you can't get a boy pregnant, so I guess that's the dead. I actually kind of dig that. You dig that, so like a guy like, you know, have the wife and then have his pleasure boy around. Yeah, but, I mean... Yeah, yeah. Okay, so it's just the females, like, I have two sisters, and both of them at different times, growing up, identified as being bisexual, but, you know, I kind of pushed it, you know, asked them how far they've gone with a girl, and they don't go far enough quite to be considered, full on, you know, carpet munchers. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting point, right, because straight men encourage same sex female contact, right, and so they're responding to an incentive. They're actually doing this to get laid by guys, aren't they? I'm sorry, I don't need to talk about your sister specifically. Let me ask you a more disconnected question than that. You know, it seems to me that men encourage women to identify as bisexual through the knowledge that they are aroused by that, and so, you know, it's a lot more common for me to see two women, or at least when I was going to night clubs in the, you know, when I was younger, to see two girls making out in two guys, like, they're actually responding to incentives from the guys. So what do you say? It seems to me like that's almost like what you're describing. Oh, you mean the girls, like, sort of like make out or do each other that kind of attention because the guys press room to? It's not that they're pressuring them to it's that it's that they believe that they'll get more male attention if they flirt with their female friends, and they're doing this like, attract the male attention if that makes more sense. Oh, yeah, they're getting it. Oh, yeah, it's totally because they're trying to appeal to the whole girl on girl porn idea. You know, yeah, I know about that. I mean, it's really, it's not really too different than, you know, guys saying they're straight to get laid like I'm, yeah, guys come over who, you know, it's looking forever to, you know, get out of their clothes and to get comfortable, but that's because they want you to treat them like the old holy straight guy and take off every shoe and course every clothing off, you know. But they like the attention to the guys, the guys like this, whether they're new to it or not. Yeah. Well, I got to tell you, you know, look, I'm a straight guy and like I mean, I went to on Grindr largely as a curiosity and it's fair to say that my motives were complex when I did it. And I'll tell you something. The photo that you saw in my profiles is a stock image, okay, but I actually uploaded photos of myself that were like the, that were real photos that I, AI altered the face on the thing. And I'm going to tell you, I felt pretty good because I all of a sudden like all these people are like, yeah, let me suck your dick. And I'm like, wait a second. You haven't even, I haven't told you my name like you don't know anything about me. You're just like, yeah, nice to meet you. Let me suck your dick because you showed up on this thing. And you know, there's a people who, a lot of people would hear that and think grows, but you know, when it's coming at you, there's a little bit of like, wow, like thanks. It's a, it's a ego boost, right? It's a ego boost and it's also, it's kind of like, well, why not? You know, you should, you should remind them of their possibility, you know, you never know what you might do. And so you're faced with a question, you know, can I suck your dick? And then you'll be like, what? I'm going to get me fun for this, but I don't care. Like, you know, when you're, when you're hearing that, you're like, oh, well, you know, as a matter of fact, like a mouth on my penis feels pretty good, you know, but I'm scared of the consequences say. You're scared of the consequences of what? I'm scared of the consequences taking one of those offers. Oh, somebody finding out or of, you know, I would say that it's even more than somebody finding out like what does that mean? Right? If I'm, if I, you know, I understand that the average person is probably not going on Grindr and, and, and finding themselves in a position to receive that offer unless that's what they're seeking. Right? But, and a guy who's on there in a professional capacity, right? I'm going on there. I basically want to talk to people. I want to understand what's going on here. And, you know, somebody offers to give me a blowjob, and I'm like, what? You know what? Like, as a matter of fact, a blowjob, I mean, fantastic right about now, right? You know, but the consequences of it in a totality sense, right? Like, am I, you know, in my relationships with women, in my relationships with women, like, you know, emotional attachments form, right? It's not just a question of like other people finding out that, you know, people are going to call me gay, but I'll tell you what, that's definitely a large part of it, right? But, you know, am I going to develop feeling for a guy? Am I going to, am I going to end up in a certain type of lifestyle, right? You know, these are things that I shouldn't say all of the things because the ideas that have run through my head and the course of this are pretty fucking complex till you're true. Yeah, I, I, I could see how that'd be a interesting. Let me ask you this. So, like, you know, you mentioned that you were in this relationship with this guy for four months, and you ended up not caring for his personality very much. And I'm presuming as a matter of fact, I, well, I don't have your profile up right now, but you're single, right? Yeah. I noticed that almost everybody on Grindr fits one of a couple of profiles. They're single. They are in a quote unquote open relationship. And, and for what I've talked to other people about this, that those things are completely disastrous. And then there's like married people, you know, the, the, the married, the people who described themselves as married either are in an open relationship, actually, that their husband knows that they're doing this or they're. They're inviting other people into their relationship and just, you know, in my mind anyway, I categorize that as an open relationship. The fact that the state gave you a marriage license, but you're fucking other people. It's like, okay, whatever. Yeah, that's another can of worms that I'm not going to be able to get to you before we're done here tonight. You know, as a matter of fact, we're running out of time, right? You got to, you got to go pretty soon. Yeah. Okay. I have to touch on this. There's a million things I want to talk to you about. And if you got time for me to other day, I'll take it from you. But, but I got to ask you tonight. When I, when I was talking you on Grindr, you said that you weren't sober. And I said, oh, be even better after you've had a few drinks and you said, I'm not drinking. So what are you not sober on, friend? Uh, Christalman. That's very popular in this community. Is it not? Yeah, it's very, it's very popular. It gets it turns everybody hypersexual. They stay up all night and fuck all night and have multiple partners. And I'm kind of striking out tonight, which is why you're talking to me now. But. Well, your loss is my game, pal, because this is radio fucking gold. That's what I told you. I want to radio gold. You're giving it to me. And I'm sorry that you're not getting late. I hope you do afterwards. I'll tell you what I know. Here's what I'm going to do for you is I'll, you know, again, I don't want to. It's not my goal to like promote the podcast through you or whatever. So I'll give you the, I'll give you the recording of this phone call. Okay. I don't want to send you to the show and get you involved in that. But I'll give you the recording this phone call. And, you know, if you think that it could, you know, perhaps do anything for you. I hope it does. Okay. So the guys who are doing this, do you think that it is there an equal distribution of that affinity for that drug across tops and bottoms or is it separate? Actually, it's said to have turned the tops into bottoms and straight guys gay because it makes you like when you get really high on it, it makes you just want to be manhandled. And I mean, I've seen it happen myself. It's like the strength guys who come in and claim to be straight. Well, they, they are until you get them high and then they'll get a little more comfortable, you know, it's I think it could be done with alcohol, but it's not as effective. Now, you know, crystal meth is a hell of a drug, right? And so like you've got, you've got people who are running around, they're, they're doing crystal meth for the purpose of doing crystal meth. They're just trying to get high. And then because of that, like they end up in contact with like gay social circles. Is that a fair assessment? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, you'll find like your better quality of drugs that's going to be, you know, your doctors and lawyers and your, you know, puddle water. It is going to be, you know, the street crowd. But yeah, everybody does it as far as I could tell. Well, well, I don't think that everybody does crystal meth. I'm pretty sure that that's, I'm sure, pretty sure that you would word that differently upon thinking about it. Let me try this. So are you saying that there's powerful people in the gay community, you say like lawyers and stuff like that, which I know a, I know a thing or two about that there's like a disproportionate representation of homosexuals in lawyer dumb. And therefore they get better drugs. Yeah, I mean, I think they just, they're due to her gay and you know, they can, they have this status. So not everybody can handle crystal meth. You know, some people who are really intelligent and just have a drive succeed, you know, they do crystal meth and they have the discipline to put it down and to leave it alone and go to work. And then other people who aren't as disciplined, you know, they end up, you know, homeless on the streets and, you know, rubbing houses and all, you know, all the stuff you hear about and news. But you're right. No, not everybody does it, but it's like so prominent throughout the gay community. It's, it's, if you don't have a gay theme party, you'd have to have something featuring, you know, queers doing crystal meth or crystal meth or. You know, I'm going to, I'm going to, so, so I'll tell you just, I might cut this out of the thing that I published, but I'll tell you my own experience, you know, I met a girl who was doing, who I picked her up one day and said, you want to get something to eat? And she's like, no, I'm all cracked out of my youth smoking cracks. She's like, no, crystal meth. And I had done a lot of drugs over the course of my life and I had a, I had a roommate at the time who would give me Adderals, you know, and I found the Adderals was like the fucking coolest thing in the world. Like I would do my job. I take Adderal, I get on the radio, every, like the best things I ever did in terms of like speaking, you know, it was, was driven by Adderal. And I got with this girl and she gave me some math. She came over my, she didn't have any weather at the time. And then I said, yeah, like we should do that some time because my buddy tells me that, you know, met Dan Fedemene is basically like a better form of Adderal. And so she comes over to my place one day, she's got some math and I'm about to do this show live. And she's like, yeah, you know, here, let's do this. And I take a few hits of it. I'm like, I don't think I'm high. I'm not, I don't even realize I'm like, just stuff sucks. I'm not stoned. And then I go on the radio and I'm tripping all over my words. And I can't talk. I'm like, I'm like, people commented on the YouTube video. Like this guy's on drugs. And I was like, oh shit, I've been caught, you know. And that's because one is the clean version and the other is the dirty version, but they're the same. Well, they're like cousins. The chemical makeup is like one molecule off. And I said anything and that's an important. I'm probably not correct completely on that, but I know something about the subject. You're not far off of what you're saying. I understand. But I mean, there's a different screen. Something cooked in a actual lab by doctors and scientists and something cooked in somebody shed out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. It's very well put. Like this stuff, it really, I've heard from many of the older gay community who say that, you know, the stuff they have out in the streets today is nothing compared to the way it was like in the 90s and early 2000s. Same thing with X to C and cocaine. It's like the days of, you know, the happy days of drug case are just they're gone. You know, we have to deal with the. Fitting on killing people and you know, but just the garbage. Math, you know, or Tina as they call it. Yeah. You know, all right. I'm going to respect your time and I'm going to conclude the interview friend because I don't want to you've been very generous with me and you've been very open and I really value that. And you know what, I'm hoping I have the opportunity to speak to you again. If you don't mind because I'd love to keep I keep you along a lot longer than was polite because it's been interesting, but I'm going to respect your time. So what do you want to know? Say again. I said, well, you have my number. So I mean, I'd be open to another time. I really, I'm grateful for that. And I'm going to take you up on that opportunity. It's 100% certainly of that. And so before we conclude, I mean, what do you want? If I'm going to, I'm going to give you this moment. You say you talk for as long as you want. Whatever you want my audience to know, you tell them that. And you say I'm done whenever you are. Okay. Well, that your sexuality isn't who you are as a person. I mean, it's like one component. And it doesn't, it doesn't matter what your friends think and what your family thinks. And you know, it doesn't really matter when I think it really, but really matters is whether or not you can live with yourself. And if you're going to regret being who you are, you know, 50 years down the road. But I really wish it wasn't there. You know, it's like how people wish that race wasn't something that everybody is the thing that's obsessed over. I wish the same thing about, you know, people in their sexuality, when we're all so complicated individually. But why can't we just leave it at that? But, um, yeah, I mean, that's not the hate. That's pretty much it. Okay. Well, I'm so grateful to you. You're going to hear from me again real soon. And I'm looking forward to talking to you again. Okay, my friend. Okay. I hope I hope that you get the shit fucked out of you tonight. You understand? And in, no, thank you. You make sure that whoever does it treats you fucking really good. And if he doesn't, you tell him to get the fuck lost. You understand me? I understand that. I will do that. Thank you. You have a good night. You too. Bye. Hello. Hi, who says my name? Well, but that's not my real name. Okay. I just don't want to deceive you by saying something else. Okay. I understand. We're going to call you for now. I can even edit that out of the recording before we publish. If you like, however, you feel about it is fine with me. But if I, if I tell you about the day of the show or I tell you who I am and you start looking it up, you know, then knowing about me is going to influence your answers and the bosses, they say that if I tell you that, that you can look it up and that will influence your answers to the questions. And we don't want that to happen. You fall. Go on. So how long have you been on Grindr? Like a year. You've been on Grindr for a year. And you are on there. Your profile says that you are a trans man. And how long have you identified that way? A few years. So it took you how many years from the time that you began identifying this way to the time that you got on Grindr? I don't know, like three, four years. Okay. And before you decided to make the transition, were you primarily interested in male or female romantic and sexual relationships? So I got to ask, someone asked me that question earlier. Why do you think that the answer to that would be either male or female? Well, in the course of my preparing for this interview series, I spoke to some people who are not on the record. Okay. And it had been the case that some of the people who decided to transition from female to male were lesbians. And they did that basic. They made the transition believing that this would make their relationships with another woman easier. Okay. And they found out that that wasn't the case. And so I'm interested. I don't assume that to be the case about you. And I have no connection to the person who asked you this question earlier. I'm really not sure what your experience is. But you know, just the idea in my head is something interesting because these, they're two different folks. Folks who introduced themselves to me as female to male transgenders who describe themselves in this situation that they were lesbians. They went on testosterone and suddenly found themselves with an appetite for male sexual attention and that this like rock their world. And I'm sorry to cut to the chase, but you're kind of forcing me to with your question. That's the answer to why I'm asking you. Okay. I think a couple things that come to mind is one. People are not transgenders. They're like transgender people. Just like you don't call gay people gays. Is this something to inform you for your future interviews? Another thing is like I just don't have a preference. I'm also not on testosterone. So that's the false assumption you made. So that's my answer to your question. Well, do you understand that when I go on a male dating site and I see a person described as a trans man that there are actually like reasonable assumptions that go along with that. Do you recognize that to be the case? No. So what purpose do we identify ourselves as part of a category? I understand you're describing it as a stereotype. But as a matter of fact, like people are trying to look for people on a dating app for specific reasons. Are they not? And then there are categories that they look for within that. Within that search and you have decided to place yourself inside of a category. Have you not? Yeah, I've no desire to go on testosterone. Okay. And so you are a you're a you know, maybe I shouldn't assume this. But I mean when I see trans man, I assume that the person who identifies that way was born a female. Is that is that an accurate assessment of your situation? I mean, yes, trans men are born assigned female. Yes. So that's that's one reasonable assumption that a person can make from the category of trans man. But being on testosterone isn't okay. That's not an assumption. That's a conclusion. There's a difference. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, that's an interesting linguistic anomaly there. And so the and I get what you're saying about the transgender people are transgender people. I never assumed that they were not human beings. That's kind of the idea. Yeah, but I wouldn't stick to an asset at the end of transgender and call people transgender. I'm just trying to help you sound like more well informed. Do you understand that like you know, this kind of it comes across in a certain way that you know, there's a bunch of folks. I'm cleaning who I am. No, I mean, I'm I'm really I'm actually very interested in knowing who you are. And instead of finding out who you are, I'm finding out about your opinions on political correctness. And actually that's not very helpful to the goal at hand. And so like what what what I wonder if you're interested at all in is the way that this is perceived by other people. And so what we have is a phenomenon where there are there are people with male and female genitalia attempting to go into spaces reserved for people with other genitalia. And there are people who react to that negatively. And then you've got a bunch of people talking to them about whether there should be an S at the end of the word. And I wonder if you understand the how preposterous that is to normal people. Are you Ben Shapiro? Yes. Nice. Yes. My name is Ben Shapiro. I'm Jewish and Jews do this. I know who you are. I know who Ben Shapiro is goofball. Yeah. Okay. So I know who Ben Shapiro is. Of course you know why you want to know you want to ask. Okay. You ask me a question. Let me answer it. Am I aware that that sounds preposterous to others? Am I aware of that? Yes. I'm fully aware of you. I'm aware of your viewpoints. And I'm I'm actually also aware of the opinions of your viewership, your audience. I'm actually you know not surprised at any of the things that you're saying. And also nobody said grinder was reserved for people with certain genitalia. A lot of people don't grind or actually do say that. And I'm talking to them. I've encountered I have encountered some people who really hate me believe me. And I don't give a shit. Yeah, it's clear you don't give a shit. I get that part. By the way, I'm not actually Ben Shapiro. I was making an anti-Semitic joke. Okay. I wish the Nazis said World War one World War two. We're going to be dealing with these shit. It's all Ben Shapiro's fault. The point that I'm getting at here is that you're you're on here talking about I'm just trying to talk to you about your life experience. And you decide to talk to me about whether there should be an asset at the end of the world, which which sends to indicate that like you're actually not actually that interested in people understanding the point. What you want to do is sort of like a sort your fucking authority over people, right? You think that you can go and you can dominate in a conversation by invoking political correctness. And you actually know that that's not the case, right? Like you can only do that in professional settings where somebody's afraid of they're losing their job or whatever. You actually can't do that with me. Isn't that odd? Is that uncomfortable? No, I think I just did the thing you said I can't do so no. I'm sorry. What do you think you accomplished? Because I'm not sure. Let me see if I can break this down for you. Yeah, please do. This is nothing to do with political correctness. Okay. I don't give a fuck if someone's being politically correct. I was trying, as I said, I see what angle you're coming from obviously. What I was trying to do at the beginning of this conversation was give you a valuable tool with which to speak to trans people so that you do not put them off from your goal, which is to make us look like idiots. No, I don't think that you want to help me make that people look like idiots. That's certainly not your goal. So you're lying. It's what you do. That's fine. But as a matter of fact, it's not my goal. I'm actually not interested in making people. You know what? The people who listen to this entire podcast are going to hear me speak to other people from this app and they're going to know that I treated them with the utmost respect because they did not turn around and snap at me like a fucking asshole. And so just so you know, okay, that's not what's going on. You're making a fucking full out of yourself. You're making a fucking full out of yourself in order to try to fucking skull be about nonsense. And that's unfortunate for you. I don't know. I mean, I don't think it's unfortunate. I think you're going to like kind of expose how easy it is to rally you up. You're going to make yourself sound bad because you're like literally berating me when I'm just being matter of fact with you. So I understand actually better than you probably understand that you probably recognize what's going on here. Okay. I've been doing this for a while. So just let me ask you again, this very simple question that you tried to act like was very complicated. Prior to your decision to transition mail from female to mail. Let me ask you a more specific question since you want to assert these generalities about it. How many of your sex partners at that time had been male versus how many had been female. I mean, I've always mostly lean towards guys. Okay. You always mostly lean mostly towards guys. And now that you are identifying as a trans man without taking testosterone and without undergoing any surgery, you identify now as a homosexual man. I wouldn't call myself homosexual now. Just gay. I use the word gay to make it simpler for people like you to understand. I don't think you're making it simpler. I mean, I'm pan sexual. I don't give a fuck what gender someone is. I don't care. But I do like to have sex with men. That's why I'm on grinder. And so do men on grinder come to you saying, hey, you know what? I'm totally into dudes and dicks. And you are exactly what I'm looking for. Or do you find yourself mostly interacting with guys who report to be straight or by? Good question. Good question. Look at you coming up with a good question. I'm a professional. I've been doing this for a very long time. And when you're not an asshole, I ask thoughtful questions. When I'm not an asshole, so you just sound like you sound like something else. I think I get all kinds of interactions on grinder. I mean, would you like for me to sum it up for you? You're going to have to let me tell you. Please do. Yeah. I'll let you talk for a little while. Go ahead. Well, the vast majority of what I get is pictures of huge dicks. And I block those people because as you probably read on my profile, I don't like unsolicited dick pics. I blocked them. That narrows it down. If I could just interrupt you very politely. I just want to say, yes, very politely. I heard that's a really good thing to do. Hang on a second. I just want to agree with you about how unpleasant it is to get giant dick pics in your fucking inbox, especially because like, you know, I've no reason to believe that that's their real dicks. Right? Like I have Google image. I don't know. Some of those guys like you can try and reverse image search that on Google and get to find it. I've not gone through that much effort. I mean, guys out there was really big dick. I mean, I believe that there's big guys out there with big dicks. I, you know, I'm perfectly happy to believe that that happens. It's yeah. Right. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. I'm sorry for interrupting. It's easy to make. It's easy to make a small dick look big in a fucking picture. That's true. I do it all the time. It's great. Now, I bet you do. But then beyond that, I get a lot of straight men, yes. And I think they should get off grinder. But I get a lot straight men. I get plenty of bisexual men. I get some gay men. And I don't really care what someone's sexual preferences as long as they're not straight. But no, most of the men that approach me are gross because most men just aren't attractive. You know, I have a lot more lax beauty standards for women. And so I think that most of the men on there, you know, just aren't my type, I guess. I'm looking for kind of a specific type of person who can actually amuse me if it's nothing else. Well. Yeah. I mean, I've had a few, I've had a little couple of strokes of luck, but mostly just dirt bags. I think most of the people on grinder just dirt bags. Well, grinders are fucking cesspool, no doubt. Just before I talk to you. That was an accurate word to describe it. Just before I spoke to you, I was speaking to a man who talked to me about this phenomenon of like straight guys on Grindr. Or people who report to be that way, you know, there are those who would say that they... Yeah, I think they're straight. You're right. I don't think they're straight. I think they call themselves straight and they're really irritating because it's like you're obviously not straight. You're fucking roaming around here looking for, you know, especially if you're running around looking for trans people. Like, I doubt that you're like 100%. Like, if you have a fetish for trans people, I have a feeling you're not straight. Well, you know, I'll offer you a theory of that. Yeah, offer me the theory. I'm so fascinated. So the idea being is that basically relationships between men and women are fairly strained these days. It's like everything else in this country that you basically have identity, politics, tearing, identity groups apart. And so, you know, you have the situation where there's a disconnect between men and women and the men or, you know, they're finding themselves in a situation where they're very frustrated. They're not finding sexual partners and they're looking for alternatives, right? And so one of the things I noticed when I looked on Grindr is that people who exhibit people who will say, I'm only here for trans. They say, I'm here for MDF or FTM. And they don't exercise a preference between those two things. So they're like, oh, you know, like I will either take an actual female or I will take a man who appears to be female. My goal is to replicate feminine companionship. And I think that there's a lot of that going on. I think it's fucking scary if I'm entirely honest with you. Why are you scared? Because I'm very concerned about the survival of mankind. And so if human beings do not meet with the opposite sex. Do you think men can't reproduce? Do you think I'm incapable of reproduction? You might not have damaged your reproductive organs enough to do that yet. But I mean, that's kind of the idea of the project. The most of the trans men I spoke to you. So strong term doesn't damage your reproductive organs. It just makes your period stop. It's very unfortunate that you're uninformed about the drugs that transgender men take. That is actually not true. So you actually do damage your reproductive organs by taking cross-exformance. That's 100% certain. And the question is whether or not you prevent your... Whether or not you render yourself sterile in the process is a question of degree. It doesn't happen immediately. Do you think that trans people are going to make people stop having babies? I think that non-reproductive sex is growing in popularity. There was a poll publishing Gallup. You're a pro aren't you? Yeah, I'm working for the Jews, that's for sure. So anyway, so what I'm trying to tell you is that there was actually a poll publishing Gallup where 30% of Gen Z women claimed to be purporting to be LGBTQ. Now, you know, when you delve into that a little bit, it's complete nonsense because they're just like... They're defining bisexuality very differently, okay? But there's a push towards this. The actual phenomenon of non-reproductive sex is actually becoming more and more the case. And the question is... Oh, I got to tell you something. Oh my God, I have to tell you something. So there was this invention back in the 1900s, sometimes between the 50s and the 70s. I mean, I know that's a big gap, but I know that's accurate. It's called birth control. People have been taking it for a while now. Yeah, and it's part of the problem I'm describing. That's going to sing for a while. Oh, so you think birth control is a problem too? I do, yeah. Cool, that's really interesting. So like, when you send your dick pics that are the angle of which makes your dick look bigger. What is your goal? Well, um... Is it to have babies? As a matter of fact, yeah, that's exactly... Now, it wasn't always, I'll tell you that much. So like, I didn't figure out until almost 10 years ago that I was throwing my life away with viewing sex as like... Multi-partner masturbatory exercise, okay? And so like, I made... I found myself in a situation almost 10 years ago where I was absolutely terrified of what I had made of my life by treating sex as a sport. And so like, basically, in the year... When I'm 43 now, this was probably around the age 33. So I'm just under 10 years. When I came to this conclusion that basically I have been treating sex as a game, and it's very fucking serious. And I became really concerned about the implications of that realization. That's the short version of it. And I've not sent nearly so many dick pics since. Oh, I have another question. Do you masturbate? All the time. Or do you think that's... Do you don't think that's like a waste of sperm? Well, as a matter of fact, I think that... First of all, I'm not on the impression that there's a shortage of sperm, okay? So like, I'm actually not that worried about, you know, guy's spraying calm against the wall of the fucking shower. It's actually not my biggest problem. But what I'm concerned about is whether a person falls into a habit that takes them away from reproducing, right? And so, yeah, I actually do think that guys who satisfy their sexual urges through pornography and masturbation are doing themselves in their country and their neighborhood. And they're in their nation and their race are disservice because they're... That drive to go out and find a member of it? Yes, they're raised. The drive to go out. Which, depending on which race? Well, I would say that anybody who is not... Anybody who is suppressing their reproductive instincts does a disservice to their race. That's the answer to your question. No, like, but wait a minute. So what does... Okay. Do you think that perpetuating... Specific races and keeping them separate is a good thing. Those are two separate questions. So, no. No, no, no, as a matter of fact, they are. So, I don't actually think that perpetuating all races, okay? One race wants to preserve itself and another race doesn't let the fucking people who don't want to preserve themselves go extinct, okay? And I don't believe that necessarily implies separatism of all of those different races, okay? I mean, personally, I'm a white guy. And I've lived in white neighborhoods and I've lived in non-white neighborhoods. And you know better than I do whether one of those neighborhoods based on the demographics, was a higher quality of life than the other, don't you? There are hundreds of years of history to indicate specific conclusions about that, yes. Yeah. So when I talk about my happiness as having white neighbors versus having non-white neighbors, you know that... It's actually not a question. You already know the answer to that. So it's not a serious proposal. What you're doing is you're invoking the blue PC nonsense again. It sounds to me that you're kind of blaming the neighbors for the neighborhood. Well, that's kind of how neighborhoods work, right? We're in the quality of quality people or we're in the quality of non-quality people, right? Oh, quality, oh, so now the neighborhood that was non-white is of the less, oh, the people are of a lesser quality and the non-white neighborhood according to you. Good to know. Yeah, so you could call me a racist on camera. I'm trying to keep drawing conclusions from your statements. I never said that you're a racist. No, let me just tell you that I'm a racist and then we'll move on from there because that's not impressive actually. So actually... So I'm not saying projection. No, I'm not saying projection. I'm saying you're not impressive with your silly political correct nonsense. So it doesn't actually matter if you call me a racist or make the implication. What matters is you know as well as I do that a neighborhood full of white people and a neighborhood full of black people have a different quality of life and the reason for that is that people in the neighborhood and that has to do with human quality. It doesn't not. You know I completely disagree with you. Of course you do and you will get the your and you know somebody who goes on grinder without even altering their body with a vagina says that there are a man might have some difference of perception. God forbid. Yeah, and so let me ask you this. I'm sorry? Do you believe in God? That's a pretty complex question honestly. No, no, I don't think so. The answer to the question is no. I don't. As a matter of fact, I don't have any evidence of God's existence. I'm really looking forward to finding something. That's the best answer that I can give you. I wish that I did because I agree with most religious people about most things. Okay. What's your next question Ben? Just so I don't get accused of defaming Ben Shapiro, I have to remind you that I'm not in fact Ben Shapiro. I'm just making fun of him because I'm an anti-Semite and I don't like that Jewish cocksucker. Anyway. You're an anti-Semite and you don't like him because he's Jewish. Got it. Yeah, I hate the Jews. I think that they're responsible for your plight as a matter of fact. Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Magnus Herschfeld? Did you know that I actually don't consider my existence to be a plight? Well, I understand that you don't. You probably think your problems all pertain to the reactions that other people have to your behavior. You're concerned about the civilization not accepting your deity and see. I get that. But what I'm saying is that most people actually don't perceive it that way. You're putting more of this in my mouth than? Yeah. So you don't believe that you have any plight at all. You're just fucking happy as fuck going on a gay dating app, trying to get guys to fuck your vagina. My vagina. You're hilarious. Yeah, you're for a vagina. I'm from Virginia and we say it that way. That's hilarious. My dad was from Virginia and he didn't say it that way. All right, well, I'm lying. So anyway, the point that I'm getting on is that... That's not a point to choke. Uh-huh. Go on. You are on this app. You have a vagina. You have done nothing to alter your body, say, for, I don't know, change your clothes. You're purporting to be a man. You're fed up with straight guys on the app who are pursuing you on there. Why not just be a woman and go, like, go and get guys as a woman? I know it was so much easier to get some dick when I was presenting as a woman. You're right. It was a lot easier. I could get laid in a fucking heartbeat. And now it is more difficult for me to get laid. But the thing is, does not really the end all be all of my life? I'm not just, like, obsessed with getting laid. There's a lot more to life than that. The reason you want to know why I'm on grider, you really want to know? I do. I'm intentionally interested in that question. Yeah. You know, I would have pointed out something. Yeah? You mentioned something in your intro text to me. One second. I wonder, can I refer back to it really quick? One second. Yeah. One second. I'm pulling up the app. I'm sure that's not you on the phone. You wouldn't show your face. But let me see. Where are you? So many messages. Okay, here we go. Hello, you said. I'm doing a podcast about beautiful people on grider. You said. Excuse me. And then you said, I know this sounds like a pick-up line. But it isn't. Trans folk are very interesting in this respect. So, the effort you put into your appearance obviously is more substantial than for cis folks. I'm a professional interviewer, blah, blah, blah. You will be treated with the utmost respect and my goal is in no way to identify or embarrass you. Now, you have called me an asshole. You've said all kinds of stuff to me. So, I wouldn't consider that to be the utmost respect. Well, just so we're clear what happened was I tried to talk to you about meaningful subject. You guided me towards a path. You asked me a question. So, I was going to ask you some questions that did not go down this path. You asked the questions and then I started responding to you. So, you've, you've derailed my interview. That's okay. I don't mind. Just let you know. Things are now all square. I know I'm doing shit like that. And by the way, like, I'm very happy to return to like the respect level. The thing that I view as you, I'm fine with the derailing of the original interview because all I care about is a conversation. I'm actually, the subject matter is actually not that important. So, but what you're reporting of me is going to get you so many viewers because I think this is a more in depth and interesting interview than you probably usually get for people. Well, that's because you have no idea who I am. But I understand why you know, you probably, that probably makes you feel good to say. And so, when you say things like that that actually demonstrate that you're malicious, then that's when I call you an asshole. So, when you say things that you couldn't possibly actually have any information about and you're just trying to insult me, that's literally, that's what I mean when I say you're being an asshole. And that's just a statement of fact that everybody who listens to this interview is going to understand perfectly clearly. And I don't risk my reputation at all by comparing those two parts. Oh, I'm really worried about your question. And there's really nothing I could say to change their mind. Well, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. As a matter of fact, if you were right and I was wrong, these people would absolutely correct me about it. And my income would decline as a consequence. That's actually what would happen. And so, I'm just informing you of why you're not succeeding at your goals. And if you don't care to listen to my opinion because I'm a heterosexual white male and therefore I'm going out of style, then you know, you just wait for the white genocide to be complete and then you can go, you know, have yourself, you know, whatever, whatever it is you want for yourself. You said I don't like white men. I just don't like straight white men. You just don't like straight white men. The white men who are not participating in the perpetuation of the species you're great with. I don't, I don't think you're straight. You don't think I'm straight. I think you're queer, yeah. Okay, that's fine. As a matter of fact, that's perfectly fine with me. And the only... I think nobody with a straight man would take this job. Well, you don't know anything about my job as a matter of fact. And so, that's fine. Oh, I think I do. Oh, yeah. Oh, so Ben Shapiro's a homosexual too, you're saying? That's probably true, actually. Yeah. Ben Shapiro's probably gay. Yeah, I agree. I think you're probably right about that. Yeah, I think he is. I think he's with those comments he made about wet pussy and how he's never encountered it. I'm pretty sure he's gay. Did he say he never encountered wet pussy? I think I was in prison when the WAP song came out, so I don't know what that bit was. Can you tell me more about it? No, this isn't about Ben Shapiro. This is about you and me. No, who said Ben, who said they never saw wet ass pussy? I mean, why are you being so defensive of Ben Shapiro if you're not him? No, I totally want Ben Shapiro to die in a gas chamber. My point is that you're talking about Ben Shapiro saying he's never seen wet pussy, which is fascinating to me. I missed it. I don't listen to every episode of the Ben Shapiro show. I've been in prison for the last three years. I just want to know what happened. Hmm. Why'd you go to prison? Because I was defending women's honor. The federal government of the United States. You disagreed with my, I'm sorry, no, I wasn't accused of rape. It was literally the case. No, I could you killed someone who was accused of rape? No, somebody threatened a woman who I cared very much about and I lost my temper. And I made him understand fully the gravity of his error. And the United States federal government just agree with my assessment of what Chevrolet means. That's kind of the story. Oh, you know what? You know what you remind me of. You remind me of this guy I work with. And he is so handsome. Thank you. And he's so smart. I don't know what you look like. But he's charismatic. But he has a very similar belief system to yours. And I was able to befriend him. And I honestly think he fell in love with me. Yeah. And he really bothered him when he found out I was trans and honestly. That tickles me because it just shows that like, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I think that you calling me beautiful was a big compliment because I do not think that you think that most trans people are beautiful. I don't think that most people, most trans people are. I'm interested in the subject of beauty very deeply though. And as a matter of fact, like, you know, the pitch is one thing. Fine. All right. The pitch in order to get y'all on the phone is, you know, that's what it is. You know, it's a pitch. So it's a lie. No, it's not a hook. No, no, no. It's a hook. Do you think there's an element of truth to it? I actually think that I think that as a woman, you're probably pretty attractive. Oh, I'm beautiful. I am. You've never seen me as makeup on. Yeah. And so what I'm actually deeply just, and I honestly, I wanted to talk to you about different subject matter. You got confrontational. So we're going here now. Okay. Just so you understand. I think that you're actually a beautiful woman. And I think that as a man, you're a sorry excuse for masculinity. And I wonder why you would, why you would do that to yourself when you, when you had so much going for you. And I'm genuinely interested to do the answers to that question. I'm a sorry excuse for masculinity. Yeah. I think that, that people who try to become the other sex actually actually, they find themselves in a position where they squander all the time. They squander all the positive qualities that they had about their, their sex. And then they acquire all of the negative qualities about the other one, right? You, you take a beautiful woman and you give her facial hair and you take away her breasts and you give her, you know, what? Right? You know, it actually doesn't turn out well for anybody else. I, I don't know how many times you would have to say this for you to hear it. But I am no interest in testosterone. And I think for you, just simultaneously say that I would be a sorry excuse for masculinity where I to try testosterone. You're saying that simultaneously with the fact that people who take testosterone acquire negative masculine qualities. So how are they acquiring masculine qualities unless they're men? Well, because they're taking sex hormones. If a man takes testosterone and does not take a rheumatized inhibitor, then he'll get gynecromacia because the body through a process known as a rheumatization converts testosterone to estrogen. And then as a consequence of him doing this androgenic hormone, he will end up with feminized traits. So like that's a predictable consequence of hormones that, that they create that the whole entire purpose of prescribing them in the case of trans people. I mean, I, I suppose we should all be fortunate that you don't know this because you haven't gone down this road. Thank God. But, you know, that's what most people who identify as trans are doing. Whether they're on that, whether they're on the drugs or not, they're on the path to taking them. And so when you take cross-sex hormones, it causes, you know, cross-sex features. That's, that's the whole entire idea. And the idea that, you know, gender is some modern invention that human beings just made up is just proven by that simple fact that, that actually the people who are embarking upon this journey, they're the ones employing modern technology. They're the ones employing human inventions. Everybody who's trying to live life as a matter of woman, they're the ones who are abiding by the eternal laws of nature and what ab you. Okay. So I have a question for you, which is, it's the subject of nature and natural. It's very interesting to me. I agree. And my, I'm curious, we agree on a lot. I'm curious as to how you feel about these, the following things, okay? Shaving, body hair, women or men, that's one or what else? I don't know, wearing makeup, that's not natural. Getting breast implants, not natural. Honestly, taking testosterone for fitness purposes is not natural. So where's the line between what's natural and what's not? That's a, that's a very, I love the way you put that and the examples that you gave are very good ones, okay? And they touch on a lot of different things. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm so sorry. One more thing. Yeah. I would like to point out what you just said about the idea of gender being a modern inventor. Nobody ever claims that on the trans side. Gender has been around for thousands and thousands of years. Okay, we're just denying that's not natural and what's not. Okay, so I think that that's a fair point that you raised about the modernity of the concept of gender. That's absolutely right. But what I mean to say is, and I appreciate your opportunity to have me correct myself, which is that, okay, it's actually not so modern, but what I mean to say is that when you say that gender is a social construct, you're talking about it as a human invention, okay? And the only way that we've ever been able to challenge that human invention is actually through modern technology, right? So like what's actually happening is all these people who say that gender is a social construct and they're employing modern technology are actually just proving that point. Gender and sex are not different terms. This is a, that bifurcation is a very modern invention and it's actually a consequence of technology, don't you think? No, no. All right, we can agree to disagree on that point, but that's what I mean to say. Through your eyes, through your eyes, that makes perfect sense. Okay. I can agree with that. So let's go back to the nature component, okay? As a matter of fact, when I was in prison, I was in prison with a guy by the name of Matthew Hale. And Matthew Hale was the, hey, he had at some point become the leader of a white supremacist organization that called himself the world church of the creator, okay? And he had a view of nature that I personally found off-putting, even though I, you know, really am very interested in the future of white folks. He basically said like, like, you're not supposed to take like medicine. I mean, if I said that, he'd bark at me, but, you know, it was like vaccines, for example, he was, you know, categorically opposed to say, okay? And there are entire categories of things that they were opposed to on the grounds of that. You know, nature should take its course that basically will improve our species through a lack of human intervention in health matters, okay? And that, I think, is extremely misguided because human beings are in fact natural. And so the things that human beings do are natural phenomenon. And so the fact that they produce, you know, they're not, when human beings make medicine, they're not doing something supernatural, right? They're taking things from the earth and they're bringing them into a lab or an office and they're changing them. And then they're, you know, putting them in human bodies. That is strictly speaking, not outside of nature, right? So I think that there's a lot of room for nuance in the subject of what is natural versus what is not. How much human intervention has to enter the picture before we start saying that something is artificial. I think that that's- That's a good question now, I'd love for you to answer it. Well, as a matter of fact, the whole entire point of that long diatribe was that there's not a simple answer to that question, is there? Right? There are people who are saying now, if we say that, you know, people who are, when we say that something, anything that is new, I would say, is more subject to the inquiry of natural phenomenon, say, okay? If we say that, you know, I don't think that all things that human beings do are fictitious, right? They're not- they're not unnatural by the fact that human beings do them. But if there are things that human beings are doing, I don't know, within the last 40 years, we can't say that they're the natural order, because the natural order existed well before that phenomenon. I think it's a fair way to look at it. Okay, so 40 years ago is where the line is. No, there's not actually a firm line. It's actually not that- it's not that firm, and when people do stuff like that, it's fairly obvious to serious intellectuals that the goal is to, you know, to undermine the point by trying to, like, go on either side of the goal post, okay? And it's not- that's actually not a very sophisticated position to take on a thing. I mean, I'm not concerned with the lack of sophistication of my ideas. I don't think that sophistication determines whether or not an idea is good. That's fair. But I do want to say that, like, your explanation of nature in itself, okay? Yeah. There's no firm line there, which excuses, shaving a woman's legs, excuses, waxing your fucking balls, whatever it is. All of that unnatural stuff since it was contrived longer than 40 years ago. Okay, I'm using just the metrics that you gave me. So, like, I just want to point out how unbelievably arbitrary that line is that you drew. And I want to- Can you be a better line? I don't think there is a fucking line. Well, that's exactly the point. So, like, the line is arbitrary one way or the other, okay? So, I'm saying that I don't actually believe that it's a firm line that, okay, on 39 years, your modern and 41 years, your natural. That's actually not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that when people purport, you know, the gender theory stuff is fictitious. And actually, every serious person knows that, okay? That gender and sex are not two different things. That's a very, very modern phenomenon. I gave 40 years just to, like, be on the safe side of it, right? Nobody actually believed that until pretty recently. And so- And actually, nobody believes it now. It's a fake lie. It's the whole entire point of it is to- Are you on the team of the dishonest people, and we identify this by whether or not you're willing to say that trans women are women, right? And if you're willing to say that trans women are women, then you're part of the conspiracy, and we can trust you with our secrets. That's actually the whole mission. The mission, the transmission, if you will. Well, it's not so much the trend, it's a Jewish mission, tripping told. I'm not sure that I don't think that I'm going to inform you very much tonight. You don't seem to like the type to listen, but I'm saying that it's actually a Jewish thing. I'm actually ingesting your ideas. I'm listening very carefully because it's a Jewish thing. The transgender thing is like peripheral to it. It's a Jewish thing. Which of us was Jewish here? Neither of us to the best of my knowledge. If you're Jewish, I'm interested to know, but that's not the implication that I'm making. I'm not Jewish. Yeah, some say that you're a victim of Jewish propagandas, actually what I'm getting at. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. We all are in some sense. It's not unique to you. We all are victims of Jewish propaganda because you know as well as I do who runs the banks in the media, right? So they are in control with all these letters of power. Well, I'm not saying it's all John Stuart's fault, but you know it's actually there's a bunch of people who don't go on television who are responsible for that. They're all Jews. And so what they want to do is they want to reduce the existence of their competitors who are primarily white males. Okay. And so Jews run the world. They'd like to keep it down. All the males, I don't know how there's just so many white males here in this situation. The oppressed minority of white males in your eyes. Well, I'm saying. I mean, I think that like you know you're concerned with the white genocide is also fascinating. Yeah. But you mentioned earlier. Yeah. I just don't see. I don't think that people having babies at a faster rate is the same thing as killing. Genocide is mean. So okay, if you look at the term genocide rate, you're a smart guy I can tell. Thank you. Genocide. Do a side and homicide. Urbicide, pesticide. A side means killing. Okay. Nobody's running around. Killing your precious white heterosexual males who you will defend tooth and nail. Now he's killing you all. Okay. So if it's a matter of fact, I have a feeling that if we were to both walk down the street at night, you would be safer than I would no matter who's walking down the fucking street. Well, obviously I'd be safer than you would because I'm a man. I'm six feet tall. I'm 210 pounds. Is it a theft photo? Don't you try me of you? Yeah. All right, pretty odd. Thank you very much. I can see why you have so much confidence. Okay. I will inform you that the face is AI altered. Okay. I'm not, I don't want you to see my face, but the body is 100% real. Okay. Why are you so afraid of me knowing who you are? That's cowardly, isn't it? Because I'm happy to send you this recording when we're done. The goal is not to have my reputation interfere with the interview. Okay. And so that's, that's to understand what, what the, what the situation is. What's your reputation? Yes. If you were to Google mine, you actually, that's actually a very good point. I see you. So like, yeah. And I immediately informed you that I'm not actually Ben Shapiro. I was kidding because I'm a Nazi and I don't like Ben Shapiro. I'm making fun of him. But the point that I'm getting at is like, if you were speaking to Ben Shapiro, you'd answer in one way and then you were speaking to somebody else, you'd speak in another, right? No. And so if you know that you're speaking to me. No, certainly not. The only reason, the only reason that I have a different response to you than I would do another person is because I'm responding to different states. Yeah. Exactly. And the information is the stimuli. So if I tell you who I am and then you Google it and you're like, oh, here's the sky. He's got this reputation. This is the person that I'm speaking to. And then you're going to ask me, you know, how many questions, you know, normally when I interview to somebody, I ask them questions. I'm not answering theirs. You're already asking me questions. You don't even know who I am. If you were to go read my Wikipedia, you'd want to know all about that. So completely fucking derailed the thing even more than we're doing. So I'm a radio professional. I know what I'm doing. I mean, I never said you didn't know what you were doing. Yeah. So, you know, apparently I don't know what I'm doing because I've allowed you to control this entire thing. So I'm making a fool out of myself by letting you run it. But whatever. Fine. We're making good radio. I mean, I think so. I think this is going to blow your usual shit out of the water. Well, you don't know my usual shit. But, you know, I'll tell you that, you know, I am perfectly happy to let an interview subject, derail, and interview so long as they get good radio. And so far you're succeeding at that. I know. I'm pretty interesting. Teehee. Hey, Teehee. So, anyway. No, but I want to get back to what I'm sorry. I'm so curious. You said something about... Because I don't understand what the problem is. If you have a problem, I'm trying to figure out where exactly you're coming from because I am interested. Because you said that I would be good looking where I to just embrace being a woman. You know, I used to be very feminine. I had long red hair. And I had my tits were a lot bigger just because I was a little bit bigger, but I looked good. You know, like I would wear low-cut shirts and skirts and high heels. And I would do my makeup just right. But do you think... My question. Do you think that once a woman cuts off her hair, stops wearing makeup wears baggy clothes? Do you think that makes her less beautiful? When she... Yeah, a woman cuts off her hair? Yeah. Yeah. Like her hair is actually a very solid part of her beauty, yes. 100%. Okay. And all those other things are components of it. Yeah. Okay. So, like, what is it about hair that you're so compelled by? Because it's just dead cells. And so I'm confused as to why that is such an integral part of a woman's beauty. Well, it's certainly not the most pertinent part, right? But I'm just... When you gave the example of, you know, a woman does these things. And I'm like, well, she cuts off her hair then yeah, like she's got this hair and it's beautiful. And she cuts it off and it's gone. There's the beauty is there. And then it's just subtracted from the image, right? And so, I think that that's just a fairly straightforward thing. Now, it doesn't mean that a woman is defined by her hair. As a matter of fact, holy fuck if I was that fucking shallow. You know, like, you know, that's preposterous, right? So, like, I... Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's preposterous. Well, if you think I'm shallow, then, you know, fine, whatever. Can I tell you a fun story about something that happened to me on Grindr today? By all means. It's fun. Okay. I have endless stories. And one of them was this guy was like... He was definitely not straight. His little... You know the little tag, like your name that you can change whenever you want. Yeah. His was hung for hung, which means he's looking for another guy with a big dick, right? Right. Well, he reached out to me and I was like, I don't have a dick. And he was like, I don't care. And then he said, ask question Mark. And I was like, can you articulate yourself? And he's like, why are people on Grindr's bookings stupid? And then he blocked me, which I found was like... I got a lot of, you know, it tickled me a little because... I think it just exposed how embarrassed he was. That he was like... Just not trying very hard and he blew... But I don't know, might have ended up being something. But he instead of acknowledging how stupid he sounded by just saying, ask. Like, he called me stupid and then blocked me. And I just found that fascinating, you know? Because I... Another person, like a lot of people will call me beautiful and stuff and I can get behind that. I just... I don't know. I don't see why you're doing this, except to try to humiliate me. I honestly would have asked you very different questions. If you didn't get confrontational about whether or not there should be an ass at the end of transgender. I really set you off with that one, huh? I have no tolerance for this crap. I'm very interested in your experience with the app. I'm very interested in... I'm interested in the subject of... I'm actually not that interested to talk about transgenderism because I don't think that... I'm going to have very interesting conversations about it because of what you did. The transgender thing can't be discussed rationally, okay? What I actually want to do is talk about homosexuality. And I understand that the transgenderism in homosexuality are completely different subject matters. And I think that the gay community has actually been done an extreme disservice by the rainbow mafia trying to attach these two things, okay? I understand what I go into. I think that gay people are victims and I think that they deserve help. That's what I believe, honestly. Okay, so you earlier said something that is related to this, which is that non-reproductive sex is bad, basically. I'm saying that non-reproductive sex is reaching a scale where it's threatening demographics. That's the specific point that I'm concerned about. Do you think that it's threatening white people? Yes. Okay, thank you for saying it out loud. I'm always the guy who says it out loud. Okay, why don't you ask me some more questions that you had written down? I'll give you that. Okay, so I think when did you, pardon me if I've asked this question already, it's usually something I ask at the beginning, but now we've gone all over the place and I've lost track of where we were. How long have you been on Grindr? About a year. That was the first question you ever had. The economy is going to be on listening. Now, between the time that you, how long prior to your use of Grindr, did you conclude that you were transgender? Maybe five years. Okay, and what aid, pardon me for the timeline here, but what ages are these things happening? You're identifying yourself as trans at one age and then five years later you're on Grindr. I mean, it says how old I am on Grindr. Okay, if you want me to pull it up and do the math, I'll do that. I just figured that you probably had read of your access to it then I did. I mean, I'm 30. Okay, you are 30. You started using Grindr a year ago. That would be when you were 29 and then five years before that you would be 24. Sounds about right. Okay, so at the age of 24 you concluded that you were transgender? I concluded that I was transgender. Is that accurate? That would take so. Okay, and between when, how old were you the first time you had sex? That was 16. Okay, and was that with a man or a woman? With a man. Okay, so at 16 years old you had sex with a man and did you have between the ages of 16 and 24? Did you have sexual relationships with women? Yeah. Okay, can you tell me if the majority of your sexual relationships between the age of 16 and 24 were mostly male or mostly female or do you care to give a numeric breakdown? I mean, it's been mostly made my entire life before and after I identified as trans, it didn't change. Did you or you had any time during the course of this prior to you identifying as trans? Did you have an intimate interest in a gay man who rejected you because you were female? Yes. Did that have anything to do with your decision to become transgender? No. And what was the time frame between this rejection and the announcement? I don't know, I didn't keep a diary about it. Can you tell me if it was one year, two year, three years or four years? I could tell you it was probably when I was like 11. So when you were 11 years old, you were interested in a homosexual man and he rejected you. He was a kid, but yeah, everyone knew he was gay. Okay. And so no time between the ages of 11 and 24, say between the ages of 12 and 24, did you have another situation where a homosexual man rejected you because of your vagina? I think that I see where you're getting that with this. I'm just trying to know. I'm actually not trying to prove any had just one. It's more than one, so that's your question. Okay, so repeatedly over the course of the time prior to your announcement of your self as a transgender male, you had repeatedly had romantic interests in homosexual men who rejected you because you were female. Well, it wasn't just that simple. You'll be the first person to tell me this by the way. This is not something that I reach and I don't come to this with the assumption of this. It's just interesting as you say it. No, I know. Yeah, I've been rejected by gay men. And how many times would you say that this has happened prior to your announcement that you were transgender? Well, I mean, I don't like guessing at numbers. I feel like that's dishonest. I'm asking for your most informed opinion, not I guess. No, I don't have an exact number for you about how many times it happened and I'm not going to give you one. Okay, well, you understand that that in itself is actually pretty telling, right? So like, I have no idea how many times I've been rejected by women because women have rejected me many, many times. If I had only been rejected by women twice, I could tell you that, you know, two times this has happened. Probably even through your four or five, I'd be like, hey, you know, at five times these women broke my heart. You're telling me that it's actually a greater number than that is what you're saying. No. So, will you say in that it's less than five times? I'm going to tell you again, if I don't have a specific number, I'm not going to give you a specific number. It's interesting that you put it that way. I've had relationships with women where they're not anxious to talk about how many men they've slept with. You know, other ones, they've got their body count right off the bat. And then other ones are like, well, you know, I couldn't tell you. Well, you know, is it a hundred? Right? And they're like, you know, I don't know how many it is. You know, you're like, oh my God. She's not telling me that it's less than a hundred. So, like, what? You know, do you, uh, do you mess around with blacks? Do I mess around with black? Yeah, do you fuck them? Is what I mean to say? Do I have sex with black men? Yeah, do you fuck them? I have sex with black men, yeah. And I think the people have all ethnicities. That's good. You wouldn't want to be discriminating about sex, right? Because just, you know, discrimination is bad, right? No, it's just because I don't have a preference by ethnicity. I'm not racist like that. Do you believe that the people who go on Grindr and say that they're looking for BBC are evil for exercising a discriminatory preference? Do you're asking me if I think that people who have a fetish for big black dick are being discriminatory and therefore doing something immoral? I believe the acronym is Big Black Cock, but yeah, basically the idea is that they're saying I want big black dick. And there's, and because of that, they're actually, they're demonstrating an ethnic animal. I think that exercising someone based on their ethnicity is kind of gross, but I'm not going to say it makes someone a bad person. And so, okay, what do you think about people who say no blacks? Again, gross, but doesn't necessarily, and it self-mean you're like evil, I guess. Okay, so like, you know, you're at least under the appra- because not everybody agrees with this, but you're a new resident. People can choose their sex partners on whatever criteria they want and that people who make judgments about that, do you think that the people who make judgments about a person's choice of sexual partners are- are- is sticking their opinions where they don't belong? Hmm, do I think that people who make judgments about how others discriminate specifically about their own sexual preferences? Do I think that they're sticking their opinions where they don't belong? Without your question, I'm just making sure I'm going to answer the right question. Yes. Okay. Trying to give you a good answer here. I think it just depends. I think it's a little complicated there. You know that Grindr doesn't allow people to like search on ethnic background, right? They ask the question and you can ask, you can search based on whether you're top or bottom, verse, top, whatever. You can search on age, you can search on whether or not they have pictures. I think you could even- I'm not sure if you can search on body type of that. I'm kind of- I'm not certain of that with my head. But you can search on all of these criteria, but you can't search on ethnic group and they actually made an announcement of this at some point that they were going to stop letting you do that. They used to be able to do that and they won't let you proste discriminatory preference in your bio. Like if you say, yeah, I'm only into whites and somebody reports that, you can actually be- you can be penalized by Grindr for that. They've got a- they've got a policy about that. What do you think about Grindr's moderation policies in that regard? Okay. This is what I think. Grindr is a private company and they can do what the fuck they want, first of all. And that's not just my opinion. That's not my opinion. That's a fact. My private corporations can make all kinds of arbitrary rules and the user has to fucking agree to those rules. Yeah. That's just a fact. Am I right? Okay. Now, do I think- What do I think of this policy in itself other than the fact that it just exists and that the users are agreeing to it by agreeing to use Grindr? Yeah, I'm not- I'm not- to be- to be absolutely clear, I'm not asking if you think that we should bring a civil rights case against Grindr. I'm just asking you about the wisdom of the public. I'm not asking you to say that. Yeah. I think that like there's so many ways around- There's so many ways. It's like, okay, I'm not attracted to men with just mustache. It's my thing. Ew. Right? It's just ew. Ew. We're like a fucking- it's just gross to me. Guys with just mustache is gotta have like a beard or something, right? In my opinion, otherwise you'd be like, creep. No. Do I have to say that in my profile or hear me out? Do I just ask for a photograph of the person and if they have a mustache say, I'm not interested. Okay. That's what you can do. Instead of just saying, I don't like black dick. You can just choose and elect. You can just elect. Not to fucking suck a black dick. It's nobody- you know what I mean? Like there's so many ways around having to hourly state that. Like, it just seems like a- does this make sense to you? I understand what you're getting at, but I'll actually describe something to you about- something I attempted to do in a course of my understanding this experience. I live in a state that's almost all white. Okay. And sometimes- Do you live Iowa or do you live in Illinois? You- well, I'm sorry, say again. You live in Illinois? If Illinois is all white, then go ahead and assume that. Just assume that I live in a mostly white state. Okay. And the idea that I'm getting at is that when you talk to somebody who does not identify themselves as a member of another ethnic group, and they're from that general area, there tends to be a reasonable assumption that that person is white. But, you know, there's people on Grindr who don't announce their ethnic group and they don't announce- and they don't post photos of themselves, and then they contact you and they say, hey, what's up? And, you know, Mike, well, you know, you tell me guy, right? And so to talk to that person, I'm like, well, I have no idea who I'm talking to because you are not announcing your ethnicity. A lot of times they hide their age and do I just maybe block that person, depending on what they- you know, they introduce themselves by showing me their deck or saying something obscene, and you know, I probably will, but they're polite that I'm like, okay, well, you know, you need to tell me who you are, you know, and what I want to know is your age, your location, and your ethnic identity. And people are like- why does it happen? What a grass. Would you meet up with someone who you didn't know what they look like? Well, as a matter of fact, I'm a guy who goes to a good deal of trouble to conceal his identity, so I understand people might have good motives for doing that, right? But what I'm trying to get at is that like, if I- and I'm not here for the purposes of dating, I'm here to accomplish a goal, okay? But I'm trying to emulate the process, right? And so, as I am contacted by people, I sign on to the accountant before my photo is even approved, like people are offering to give me oral sex to them, like, well, what the fuck is that about, right? That's bizarre to me, that like a guy hasn't even seen a picture of me, he doesn't know- he doesn't know if I'm white or black, he wants to suck my cock and I'm like, you're weirdo, what the fuck is wrong with you? Maybe they just don't care. Well, yeah, exactly. And so, like, in my view, that's a fucking pathology, like, absolutely 100% non-discriminatory sexual attraction is like, that's about as dysfunctional as a thing can be, right? Like, you have no, you know, we are like, fooled ourselves into thinking that sex is for pleasure. And as a matter of fact, like, anybody who's informed about anything understands that sex is for pleasure the same way food is about tasting good. That's a bunch of bullshit is what it is. And so, we can- Do you think that healthy food doesn't taste good to you? What I'm saying is that the reason that we eat healthy food is not because it tastes good. We eat it because we need to eat, okay? And we need to have sex because we need to reproduce. Now, I'm not saying that like, the government should step in and intervene and force everybody to put a penis in a vagina and make a baby, certainly not. As a matter of fact, that would completely fucking destroy us because that would destroy the selective process. What I am saying is that a healthy sexual behavior is the most discriminatory thing that human beings do. And so, if you're reaching out to people who you have no fucking idea who they are and you're trying to have non-reproductive sex with that person, like that's a very clearly- You don't have to be a religious fanatic to believe that that's a dysfunction. You just have to be a Darwinist. Yeah. I think that that's very obvious as a matter of fact. I think that you know that as you hear it said. No, I mean, listen, I don't really know what you're expecting me to do with this racist stuff. I don't agree with you about... Like, I also don't understand, okay, what is your problem with people enjoying sex? I have no problem with people enjoying sex. I like sex. I think sex is a breeding. And long as they're breeding. I have no children. I'm 43 years old, okay? No, I'm asking that like, you don't have sex done. No, I have had plenty of sex over the course of my life. I am very regretful about the fact that I did not earlier in my life. Marry one of the many women I've had sex with because then I'd be raising a family and I'd be much better off. And I have young men listening to me and I want them to make better decisions than I did, okay? That's the truth. And so, as I observe the world around me and the pain that I go through as a consequence of my bad decisions in my youth, I try to get better advice to men who are younger than me. I mean, I don't think any of what you're saying is clut obvious, I think. You don't think that it's obvious that a person who lacks the drive to mate with the opposite sex and leave progeny is suffering from an affliction in a Darwinian sense. Do you think that any of your viewers or listeners might be adopted? And in which case, do you have a problem with the idea of adoption? I have no problem with the idea of adoption because what you're talking about is the situation where people who are for whatever reason, not producing their own children, take care of the children of others. And so, why would I have a problem with people taking, or whether, or they might have their own children? And they're just opting to take care of other people's children because they're just so generous, okay? I have no problem with that obviously. Do you think the people who cannot have babies, like, you know, women and men who are, say, sterile, for just through no faults of their own, do you think they should abstain from sex? No, I don't. And as a matter of fact, if those people want help, I think they should be able to go to a doctor and get it. And I think the same thing of homosexuals. I think if somebody says they go to the doctor and they say, doctor, my penis won't get erect, that a team of highly trained specialists are going to try to solve that problem. If he goes to the same doctor and shows the doctor the same penis, and he says, my penis will only get erect in situations where I have no hope of causing pregnancy, the doctor will congratulate him on his modernity and refuse him any treatment. And I think that that's the terrible thing. I mean, what the fuck is somebody supposed to do about, like, liking what they like? I think you understand that. You have a thing for women in heels. I, heels are not my thing, but, you know, I like women, yeah. And, you know, they wear heels and sometimes they think they're not. Why are you wearing glasses so much if you like women? Because I'm here for professional purposes to conduct interviews with people in Grindr. I know it's research. It's all research. Well, I'll grant you this. My, my motives are actually pretty complex and this has been a really interesting experience for me. I'm, I'm not saying that I derived no enjoyment from what I've done. I've really had a lot of fun as a matter of fact. Okay. I know you're, you I think you're having fun right now. I think that this is interesting and you're, you're a little bit frustrating because I want to get information and you're combative, but, you know, whatever, find. I'm a radio host. I talk to people that we can do it. Okay. But, you know, in the course of my conversations with people, before I started doing this on the radio, before it started recording the calls, I was talking to people privately. Okay. And, you know, I'll say, you know, we were, I'll disclose, you know, like that I have not, you know, I'm a guy with a reputation. Okay. And so like I don't get to act anonymously on the internet very frequently. I'm a guy who, you know, if I, if I, any, any identifying information about me comes out, like you could Google it, you have my pictures in the Google image search, you know, I can go into like the AI image generators and say, draw a picture of my name and it draws a picture of me. Okay. So I have not operated anonymously online and when I first started doing this, I wasn't conducting interviews. So I wasn't telling people who I am and I had some pretty intimate conversations where I actually disclosed a lot about my life and I, and it felt pretty fucking good for monos with you. Okay. So, no, it's not, it's not entirely, I'm not, I'm not telling you that like my purpose is entirely out of curiosity for the show. My, my motives are very complex on this. Okay. I'm just, just so I'm honest with you. All right. But, yeah, that's what I'm trying to. I'm trying to happen. Do you want, do you want trans people to go back to not being trans? Is that what you want? What I want to go back to is a situation where we don't tell kids that the trans and then that doesn't happen. Okay. Cause I don't think that anybody's actually trans. I think that this is fake. I think it's a bunch of ideological nonsense. That's my personal honest feeling of it. So, I want to tell you about me. Yeah. When I was a kid. Okay. That was the goal. But when I was a child, another child, and there's 11. Okay. I got called a dyke by a kid in my class. Now, I was 11 and I was going to shelter, I guess. I didn't know what that meant. But when I found out what it meant, I was so amused because I knew I wasn't gay for women. Like, I liked both women and men, even back then. And I had never encountered a non-binary person. So, I had no gauge of what that would be like. But the point is that like, why would someone incorrectly identify me as queer, as specific sense, when you did not understand me, unless they were picking up on something, my dear. Okay. So, when you were called a dyke by this child in your childhood, that you believe that this began a process with you? No. I think that I was already trans. I just didn't understand it. So, you think that this child, when you were a child, had identified you as trans and it took you until the age of 24 to figure it out. As much internalized transphobia as I had, yes. When was the first time you heard the word transgender? How old were you then? Didn't tell you. I think that I wondered that myself. I don't remember. The veracity of that statement. So, like, now, I'm just going to probe it for that reason. Okay. So, when... When do you get exposed to the categorical concept of gender and sex being separate things? Like, at what age group is this? It's obviously not anywhere near 11, and it's, you know, sometime prior to 24, but I'm guessing not so long before that. Why are you asking this? Because... What are you getting at? Okay. So, here's what I'll just tell you the information that I'm working with, which is in the conversations I've had with female to male transgender people, and in my research of the subject matter, this is largely what some people call a social contagion. That their friends are like, hey, you know, let's go talk about all this gender nonsense. There's some Jewish person or some Democrat, start talking about it, and then they're all like, let's all be part of this club now. Okay. And of course, you know, especially for white folks, they're all being, you know, lumped into this category of, you know, you're the dominant group, and so the way for you to escape the anti-white animus of anti-white identity politics is to become LGBTQ. And since, you know, since you're not gay, you know, what are you going to do? And some of them decide, well, I'm going to identify as a member of the opposite sex and continue having opposite sex relationships. That's what I think is going on in a lot of cases. Now that might not be yours. And I think that you'll probably want to correct me on that. Well, what I would like to ask is that for you to articulate yourself again, so that I can catch all of what you just said, because I got distracted by my own thoughts. Understandable. It's like, so what I'm saying is that I'm interested in your when you obtain this signal, because I believe the phenomenon is fake. I believe it's all propaganda. People are told this they're not doing this because they have some internal condition that's been identified by doctors, it's a bunch of nonsense. And so your fed propaganda and then you respond to the propaganda. That's my theory of transgenderism. And I'm interested to know how much of that you're willing to confess. Let me try to explain. You're going to need to give me a moment. I've got moments. Because what I would like to do is to draw an analogy for you. Please do. I need to place exactly what it is. Go ahead. Okay. Do you know, I'm sure you noticed, but not too long ago, they would not allow children to write with their left hand. If a child attempted to write with their left hand, they would get in trouble. I'm just going to inform you that I'm 43 years old and when I was in nursery school, kids were writing with their left hands. So you know, you're 43, but we have agreed that 40 is not some sort of hard line here. Yeah, the line goes to exactly where you need it to be. I understand. That's fine. No, there is no line in my book. Okay. So children would allow to write with their left hand, say, when my mom was a kid, okay? Okay. When children began to be allowed to write with their left hand, they realized that there were a lot more left handed children than they had originally thought. Okay. But if you don't allow the child to write with their left hand, it's never going to know it's a left handed child. I think the child is going to know that he's left handed. My understanding of being left handed or right handed does not lend itself to the theory that we could just force people to be right handed. And I think that actually probably pertains to the question of homosexuality as well. I think, well, if you look at the handwriting of a left handed person when they write with their right hand, a lot of people with poor handwriting who are right handed or actually left handed, and their parents told them not to write with that hand. So instead of the child having to say better handwriting, even though left handed people generally speaking don't have a good handwriting, instead of having better handwriting but being a lefty, they're worth handwriting because they're conforming to being right handed. Is it the case that I'm unfamiliar with what you're saying? You're telling me that there's some evidence. You might be privy to a data point that I'm not doubting it. I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying. Are you asserting that you're aware of a data point where people who write with their left hand have worse handwriting than right handed people? Generally speaking, it's not necessarily as neat. As a guy who's right handed and has like embarrassing handwriting, I'm afraid to sign books that I sell. I'm embarrassed every single time. And so I'm a right handed guy with terrible handwriting. That's interesting to me. I've never heard that. It's probably true. I take your word for it. It's an interesting data point. Go ahead, continue. Yeah, well, that is not my point. The point was that regardless of whether or not a child has a specific disposition or predisposition for something, if you tell that child, left handedness doesn't exist. You are simply writing with a wrong hand, right with your right hand, because left handedness is not okay. Nordic is not natural. It's not natural. If you tell a child, you embarrass them into writing with their right hand. They're going to write with their right hand. This is not going to turn out as well. Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment of the situation. If you make somebody with what is to them the wrong hand, the results will be unimpressive. And if you tell somebody, hey, I'm home, somebody tells you I'm a homosexual and you say, no, no, no, no. You're just going to have to keep on having sex with women, but because we don't allow that. Then that is going to result in very unhappy marriage. I don't think the same thing exists for the, you know, for the, sexual identification. I think that that is a completely different category of phenomenon that, you know, when I was a kid, I've told the story on the show many times. That like when I was a kid, I, me and my brother, my little brother, we got into like my mom's stuff and we put on like costume jewelry and makeup and stuff. And we thought that it was going to be really funny to walk out in front of my parents with her high heels on. And we're like, yeah, this is going to be so funny. And my parents exclaimed at us and we're like, no, you're boys. You don't do that. Go to your rooms and we were grounded. I was like, well, what the fuck? I'm just trying to, you know, have some fun. Another time later on, you know, my, my next her neighbor, her, her name was Megan. She was older than us. And we just thought Megan was so cool. We wanted to be like Megan. We want to hang out with Megan and then Megan and her friend Kate. They got these stick on earrings. And we were like, yeah, give us stick on earrings. And we, me and my brother put them on and we went home. And my parents were like, no, your boys boys don't wear earrings. You're not allowed to wear earrings. Well, no, I want to wear them. I think they look cool. I want to be like Megan. And my parents are like, if you wear those earrings, like, I'm going to send you to school and address. And, and all the other boys are going to make fun of you. And I was like, fuck those boys. I don't care. I'll wear a dress of school. I just want to wear the fucking earrings. And they were like, well, no, I'm telling you about this started making an analogy. Okay. And so, yeah. And so my parents, and then they're like, well, no, I'm not actually going to send you to school and address. Because the idea is to discourage your behavior. And apparently I won't do it. So they crowded us again. I was like, well, what the fuck? You know, you made me a deal. I accepted the deal and then you reneged. My thoughts on it were not that sophisticated at the time, but you get the idea. And so, you know, and I'm, and what I'm getting at is that thank fucking God I was born in 1980. Right? Like, if I did that today, like, you know, the goddamn, you know, the federal government would show up and be like, well, you got to let your kids be trans. You know, today I'm 43 years old. I'm pretty comfortable in my fucking body. And I like being a man. And I like my masculine features. And I think I fucking wear them well. And thank God I didn't have a bunch of lunatic ideologues trying to fucking turn me out when I was a kid. It's really interesting that you wanted to dress like a girl when you were a child. I don't think that that's that unique, right? Like a lot of kids think it's that unique either. In fact, I don't think it's that unique to be trans. I think it's unique to come out as trans. Well, as a matter of fact, it's very unique to be trans until it became like a pressure cooker where people are pushing it on people. Okay? So like, everybody understands that like kids, they don't understand gender. And then their parents come in and they tell them, no, no, no, here's what you're supposed to do because parents train children. That's actually not abusive. Right? So, but you're so when you're telling me that it's a parents job to make sure the child behaves itself correctly, right? Yes. And the correct way is to conform to the gender roles that have been laid out, correct? Generally speaking, I think that that is the way that parents give their children the healthiest upbringing. Yes. Okay. Now, I want to just real quick, I'm going to point out that like in the course of my preparing for this task, I spoke into a lot of gay guys and I spoke into a lot of gay guys who are bottoms specifically. And like, I don't, I don't think that you can force them to like live the type of life that I lived. Okay? And so you got to make accommodations for those people. Okay? And I think that those people deserve to be treated with respect and all that. I actually don't think they should be treated badly or forced to have sex with women or whatever. But they actually, their behavior should not be encouraged. Okay? I'm saying that all of these behaviors, even if there is such a thing as like, if there's a condition known as gender dysphoria, that's actually a, I think most trans people, most people who suffer from gender dysphoria would actually admit that they're the majority of transgender people. Most people who are identifying as trans now are doing so for political and ideological reasons. And there's no test, right? The test is, have you declared yourself as this? You yourself, you're on their, you're on Grindr saying, I'm a man, right? And there's no surgical alteration, there's no hormones, there's no processes. So if I got to do more hormones, would that make me more of a man? I would say no, you could take around the medicine cabinet all you want, but no person born a woman is ever going to have a biggest idea what it means to be a man. So like, what is the point of bringing up the fact that I haven't surgically altered myself, is that makes no difference? What I'm saying is that, I'm not saying that that would meet a standard, but it would be a standard. You follow? So like, there's actually no standards being applied here. It is a declaratory statement. Somebody by the mere judgment of their own wisdom decides I am this thing that everyone knows I'm not. And then political correctness says that if you disagree with them, that you're a, you're a bigot and a hate monger, and you need to be punished and fired from your job. And that's unacceptable, right? If you get fired from your job before you enter prison, I've been fired from a couple. A few I should say. I had a lot of minimum wage jobs in the past, and like I never got along with the management. Restaurant managers aside aside, as my English teacher would say. Well, I was miserable people in the earth. It's not their fault. It's just a hard job. I'm not talking about minimum wage low end jobs. I'm talking about I was a radio personality. I was syndicated on 160 broadcast stations across the United States. 160 stations? Yes. And that's unbelievable. Well, it shouldn't be unbelievable. You know I'm talented. What the fuck? So I went and then as a consequence of my insensitive social media commentary, I was fired and now I'm relegated to the darkest corners of the internet. That's me. Oh, I think I might know who you are. Who am I? I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say just that. You don't know. You have not the biggest idea. I'll be with you. No, I think I know who you are, but at the same time, I don't think that disclosing your identity would be a good idea. Well, I'm the one who has the editing process. Is this not a live broadcast? Go ahead, see if you're right. I'm really glad that like I've been really careful not to say things that could be taken out of context, like you know, snipped up. Because I have a feeling you're going to try and edit this interview in a way that is not flattering to me. Well, you can have to cut a lot of it unless you just want everyone to know that you just lost your mind on me. Well, that's pretty interesting because my plans, my plans as of now are to just, are literally to put you. I'm going to start because I want to have this published by 9.30 p.m. And I've been up all night. So actually, my intent is to take the other recording that I made just before I got on the phone with you. But that in front of you, but you after it, say a thing before and say a thing after that's my, that's my, that's my intent presently to go through and try to manipulate it. I think we said at the beginning, do you want me to take that out? That'd be cool. If you don't, then I'm not just going to get much of that. Well, first of all, I'm not saying anybody, I'm not telling anybody where you are. So the idea that there's somewhere in America is probably not an identifying factor. But here's what I'm going to do. Hang on a second. One second. Well, I just, I'm going to try to mark my audio here. You said it a few times now. Okay, I stopped and started my recording again so that there's a line there so I can go find where I just said it. I know I said it at the beginning of the interview. I don't believe I said it between the beginning and now. And so I'll take it out of the interview at the beginning and I'll take it out of now and, and then your name will be out of there. Okay. The goal is to publish an honest conversation. I'm not a dishonest person. If I was a dishonest person, I'd tell more appealing lies. Okay, I'd make a lot more fucking money if I wanted a lot of people. You've already lied. You've admitted you've lied. I'm sorry, how? Well, you lied about your name. No, what I, excuse me, what I said to you is if you need a name, you can call me with the understanding that this is fictitious, which means I've not deceived you at all, right? I've told you that I'm giving you a big name. You're going to treat me with respect. And then you treated me with respect and you were treated back in kind. And rather than continue to treat you with respect, I have attempted to continue treating you in kind. So like when you're an asshole, then I treat you that way and then I go back to trying to be nice. So I've been trying to do the whole thing. How do you gauge, like, when someone's being an asshole, like to the extent that you can drop the pretence of respecting them? Well, you understand exactly what you're doing. And so my assessment of it is that when I, and I understand that you should understand that the only way I can do that is based on my own perceptions. And my perception is that you understand that what you're doing is hostile. And so I'm treating you the way that you're choosing to engage with me. And so when you behave in a hostile fashion, I respond in hostile fashion. And that's reciprocal. Yeah, you've been hostile. I don't think I'm being hostile. Yes, when you tell me that you shouldn't say transgender, you have to say transgender people as if I don't know these people are fucking human beings. Come on, you don't exactly what you're doing. You don't exactly what you're doing, okay? Who's that hostile? It's impossible. It's impossible that you live your lifestyle and you don't understand the coercive nature about your politically correct nonsense. You know that stuff. And so if you want to pretend that you're ignorant of these facts. You really have called yourself a Nazi. Yeah, and because I don't care about this fucking horse shit, that's why. I go straight to, yeah, call me a fucking Nazi and let's just skip all the nonsense. You call yourself a Nazi. That's exactly what I do. I didn't call you a Nazi. Yeah, it's exactly what I did. So if you want to go and make the stupid politically incorrect fucking observations, I'll just tell you I'm a Nazi. So we can skip that part and get to the fucking point. You follow? What's the point? The point is that we're not talking about your little fainting outrage over whether there's a nest at the end of a word. We're talking about things of a much greater fucking gravity than that. And when you try to bring it, and when you try to do that, what you're actually trying to do is prevent the conversation from occurring. You're actually trying to prevent understanding from happening. And so all of these people who complain about the ignorance of people and call them bigots and whatnot. They're actually the ones who are always muddying the information pool and preventing people from understanding. And that's a reasonable thing for honest people to holding attempt. And if you want to pursue your cause at any sense, you should probably learn to identify that pattern in yourself and your associates so that you can stop doing it because everybody in the country is fucking had with this nonsense. Yeah, me too. Oh, good. Well, dear, why don't you tell the audience whatever it is you want them to hear. And I'll let I'm going to that part 100% without edits is going out over the air. I'm not going to I'm not going to cut you off. Use talk for as long as you want. You let me know when you're done. We'll end the interview. That's okay. Well, first, do you have any other questions you'd like to ask me? I'm exhausted. Go ahead. We're we're we're I'm done asking questions. We might you know, if there's if you're down for it, we could do this again. Maybe I'll have others in the future. You have been a predominantly white state. You think the black people are in Syria. Interesting. I don't know. I never thought in a million years that I would agree to something like this, but at the same time. I mean, I think you're trans. I mean, I think that you're trans because but that's kind of the side of the point. I think you're in denial and that's one reason you're so interested in this whole thing because you think that by my logic, you're trans and therefore everything I'm saying must be complete bullshit. And yeah, I think you're trans because of the story told everyone so many times. And I'm not saying that every child, listen, I'm not saying that every child who wants to dress up in where earrings is trans. Okay, I swear to God, I'm not saying that. I think that you're trans. For various reasons, one of them being your absolute obsession. Another of which is you're just convoluted concept of what nature is. And I think that like you have to be on something because like you calling me hostile. And I've calmly shared my thoughts, this entire interview. And you in turn have treated me as though I was being hostile because I said things you didn't want to hear. But I think that you're trans. And I love how much it's probably bothering you that I'm saying that. You're probably laughing, I don't know, I don't know what you're responding in your mind. But I hope that you know this interview reaches your audience. I hope that I don't get any death threats. I hope nobody docks his near figures out where I am. Because I know that your type of audience is very like prone to hatred. You know, you went to prison for defending a woman's honor. So you say, you seem to have a pretty big problem with the federal government. You're self-proclaimed Nazi. You follow Matthew Hales, by the way I do know who that is. You follow his ideology, seems. And yeah, I mean it's been interesting. I don't know, I've found that like people like you are the ultimate hypocrites because you talk about propaganda. Your entire brand is propaganda. Everything you have said to me of your own thoughts, not your thoughts. They're widely held and you've admitted that. You're like everybody in this country is fucking fed up with this shit. You have admitted that these are widely held beliefs. They're not your beliefs. Like they're not your original ideas. You don't have any of those. And so like, I kind of wish that you would kind of wake up, but I don't know what's going to happen. I think you're going to die ashamed that you don't have any kids. You're going to keep masturbating. Forever never a man. And yeah, really if you don't dox me or something because like you do have pictures of me. And if you do, we'll deal with that when it comes. Is that the end of your statement? Why not? I'm not going to take your name out of this recording. And I'm not even going to tell people the geographic area in which I found you, which is by the way, I know that it's not the area where I am. I've spoofed my GPS to pull this off. So I'm not going to tell people what state you're in. I'm not going to tell people what you look like. I'm not going to tell people how tall you are or whatever. All they're going to know is that a once beautiful female has decided to identify as male instead of the things that you said tonight. You have nothing to worry about from us trying to track you down. It's not the goal. Once beautiful, always beautiful, my dear. Well, I hope that turns out to be the case on. And I wish you all the best. I really do. All right. If you ever want to get your little dick sucks, let me know. Oh, well, thank you very much. I might just take you up on that because you know, I like fucking with you. I like when women suck my dick. You have yourself a good night. That's it. It's over. Then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America. You know what do you call people you can't call to? Enemies. And if we want to divide our society into arms, camps, of enmity, all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing. Eletical agenda of the event has turned into an opportunity for the last to push a racial and radical agenda. Implementing their radical agenda is the only thing they care about. They're bad actors. What they want to do here is ram their radical agenda down your throat. This is great America. She's the people that want to see great things for the country. You know, they try and build a life here. A lot of radical agenda. It's not a radical agenda. It's gold. The Second Amendment.