Then everything's good and with the local recording begun, let's go check in on Ann Colter, shall we? That's it, it's over then we organized the death squads for the people who wrecked America. You know what do you call people you can't call to? Enemies. And if we want to divide our society into armed camps for the enmity, all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing. A radical edge of the event has turned into an opportunity for the left to push a racial and radical agenda. Implementing their radical agenda is the only thing they care about. They're bad actors. What they want to do here is ram their radical agenda down your throat. This is great Americans, these are people that want to see great things for the country. You know they try and build a life here. But a radical agenda, it's not a radical agenda. Let's go to second demand. All right, on with it. Welcome to the radical agenda. To show about timeless ideas and news today and whatever's on your mind, usually at 276881433. But we do not have the phones online today because I have guests with us today. We have our guest here from Antelope Hill Publishing. Paul Gaultieri and Kurt Seidel. You'll correct my pronunciation. I'm sure once we do that, we've been communicating in tax. They are here from Antelope Hill Publishing to talk about the history of that company and what it is that they're up to. And I think that that's a subject of some interest. If you've been listening to the radical agenda for a little while, you know that I recently published my first book. You know that I'm about to publish my second pretty soon. And it's good that we have people in our thing who are in that business. Because when I first started looking into publishing a book, some of you know, I was very concerned about the platforming, of course, because I've suffered a great deal of that, you might have gathered. And I said, well, you know, I worry about if I can even get my book into a bookstore, much less if somebody's going to hand me a $30,000 advance and wait for the millions to pull it, pull it in. And so as I go around shopping this out, you know, the best quote I came across was it was going to be like a $10,000 investment to get my book published. And then I'd be sitting there with, you know, with a thousand copies of it and hoping that I could sell them. So this was a sort of a deterrent to publishing. And as I think some of you are aware, you know, I went and I figured out Amazon has basically this situation that makes it pretty easy. But of course, I'm terribly worried about getting de-platform from there. I'm not publishing the most shocking things that Christopher Kentwell has ever said to the fucking Amazon platform, you better be god damn sure. And so the guys at Antelope Hill publishing, they started thinking about this towards the end of December, 2019 or January of 2020, sort of batting around the idea. And then in February, they established the, the legal entity. And they released a book, the two founding partners, they wanted to read Leon de Grail's The Burning Souls. But it was not in English. They talked about paying someone to translate. And as a way to recoup the translation cost, selling that translation. The determination was made prior to the release of Burning Souls that the company would do some reprints first in order to develop best practices. They, in July of 2020, they ended up releasing the collected works of Padreik Pierce on the website. Is that, was that, well, why don't I just get it, get it into it straight with you instead of trying to go through this timeline? What is the role that each of you have with the company and how long you've been with it? Sure, thanks, thanks for having us. Chris, long time, listen, or actually, a little bit more long time ago. Oh, man, you've been around for the, you've seen the ups and downs of this show. Well, my, my apologies, Fred. I've been a 17 that I called in. Oh, long, long time ago. Anyway, so, yeah, I'm Paul. I do the logistics and fulfillment and management of inventory and, as well as we have some custom poster printing and, and just generally the management of our warehouse and facility. Yeah, I'm Kurt. I've been around also since the beginning. I've been mostly doing editorial duties, whether that's translating or proofreading. I've worked on a lot of the German language stuff and also some of the French language stuff. And also just sort of fill in with everything that needs done around here. Okay, and so are you actually doing the translations or you're managing the people who are doing the translations? Do you, do you speak these languages? Yeah, yeah. My, my German's pretty good. I can read French. And I've done, I've done a couple translations. Well, I did, so I did the burning souls, which was a translation from French, our first one. And, you know, I do, I don't have my own German work that I translated start to finish. But I've worked closely with the translators and that always, you know, winds up involving a good deal of, you know, re-translating stuff that maybe wasn't clear the way it was done or helping them figure stuff out. One of the things that it took us a bit to learn is that when it comes to translation, having mastery of the language or translating from is far less important than having mastery of the language or translating to. And so we've had a lot of very enthusiastic people volunteer reach out that wanted to help out with the project that were, I'm sure, very, very competent in the language we were translating from and not as, you know, masters of the language, the English language. I can appreciate that distinction, right? I've read a couple of different translations of mine comp or parts of them, right? I listened to the audio book of the Ford translation and then while I was in the Charlottesville jail, I actually read what was the stalague edition. And like that thing was, it was more than readable, but it was like riddled with typographic errors and it wasn't nearly so eloquent of a translation, you know. And so you can convey a message in plain language, sure, but it's a different thing to try to really convey the, the, the, the authors power of their words into the other language as a different sort of skill. Yeah, definitely. And so what was it about burning souls that made you want to start with that? Well, for me, it was just kind of put on my desk. I'm not sure of the, the origins of where the interest was developed in it. It was definitely, I mean, obviously for those who may not know that Leonardo Grail was a Belgian originally a rexist, like a monarchist in, in sort of a, you could call him a clerical fascist, right? Catholic and big supporter of the church and more overfibled through that vehicle. And then when, when the Germans, you probably know the history better than I did, the Germans occupied that area. He pretty, you know, vocally supported them. He was actually, he was interned as a potential collaborator when, when more broke out. And basically when the Germans invaded, they sort of sprung him out of, out of jail. And he collaborated. Yeah, well, you know, he was quite grateful, of course, for the early release. And, but anyways, he ended up, you know, he'd been leader of this political party. And, you know, basically put out the call for his guys to join. What was initially a German army unit that was the, the, the, the, the, Wallonian volunteers, that is French-speaking Belgians. He, he himself, because he had no military experience. He went and sort of joined up as a private, despite being a, a political leader. And rose from merit alone to become, I think the highest ranking non-German SS officer. Yeah. It was the only non-German SS officer related division. I think that was going. Yeah, I believe so. I'd have to double check myself on some of the exact specifics. Yeah, and, and of course, escaped by a Denmark. And, and Norway, I think at the end of the war, managed to just barely make it to Spain. I mean, right on crash land. Crash landed on the beach. Yep. Yeah. Out of gas, just barely made it. Yeah. Flying over Allied occupied France, lived out the rest of his life there in Spain, writing and, yeah. Giving interviews and, to me, there's actually a lot of audio and video recordings of him. And they're out there. Yeah. To me, to me, I find, to grow up a fascinating character for a couple of different reasons. But one of which is, is that I always think it's interesting to learn about the, the, the foreign supporters of, of national socialist Germany and, and the SS and the NSCIP, because it's, you know, one could imagine some version of the modern narrative about Germany being true. In the, you know, in so far as there's this, oh, well, you know, Germany is an oppressed nation. And there's just this guy's who's, you know, uplifting them. But, you know, it's difficult to reconcile that, you know, explanation of Hitler's success with the foreign support that he received. Or for that matter, the whole narrative of German chauvinism. Yeah. Which is actually much more true in the previous war. That was sort of an attitude that was held by many at that time. Yeah. So yeah, by the time the Second World War comes around, it's really, really an ideological struggle that crossed all national boundaries. And it turns it into more of a pan white thing, rather than just this sort of, you know, very specific German movement. Mm-hmm. So. That's an interesting take on it. And so what, what, what was the, you guys are not the founders of the company, I guess, it's the, the, the owners of the company, they don't make themselves publicly known as my understanding. Is that correct or? I mean, that is correct. I believe that this is publicly acknowledged, but I, as Paul, the name Paul, and one of the partners. I, I was brought on, I had just actually, I was not like in on the ground floor, I guess you could say, but, but I got involved pretty quickly. I was good friends with the original two guys that had the idea to translate to Grels, poetic memoirs, myself and Kurt were long time friends with those guys. So we've been around just not, not at the very beginning. And so can you speak to the, can you speak to the original intent of like why, why another book publisher? I mean, what I discovered with Amazon is that, you know, they make it, they make it pretty easy for authors. It's like they, it costs them up, nothing up front. It's, you know, it actually turns out to be a pretty big deal. But I have this, and I don't know it for certain, but I imagine that, you know, if I start trying to publish, you know, more controversial works that I might run into problems with them. I don't know if that's really the case because I do know that Amazon, you know, you can still buy mine comp there. I'm pretty sure. I don't know what they've banned exactly, but, you know, it's not, it's not Facebook, you know. Yeah, well, I mean, so we, we do print and sell some of our works on, or they are available on Amazon. I should correct myself because the way that that works gets a little bit complicated because it's not directly through us being sold there. But, but many of our works have been removed from the website due to, obviously, content guidelines. One of the most notable examples is the transgender industrial complex, which is Scott Howard's deep dive into the financial backing and like NGOs and sort of. Following the money behind transgender education and legislation, etc. That was spanned. About the same time as the transgender craze coming for our daughters that was a Jewish lesbian, I think, to publish that book. I know who you're talking the permanent damage was the name of her book. I think you're talking about or it was a book by that title. And maybe the subtitle was transgender craze coming for our daughters, which is basically the thesis of which was, was that, you know, lesbians are being erased by transgenderism and isn't that such an absolute travesty. And yeah, so, so yeah, there are a lot of gay or shrires. Yeah, there's definitely some censorship that happens on Amazon. But why us do it? Independent of Kurt sort of mentioned that one of the big ideas was just like, well, let's get this thing done. And let's also, you know, make it available for other people and we've got to price it fairly. And, you know, if we're going to be doing all this other stuff, we don't get a couple other, you know, reprints that people are interested in. And it was surprisingly, there was actually a lot of people who were interested in it. And, you know, there were existing publishers at that time. We had, of course, Arctos, do you have a pretty good relationship with. But I think Imperium Press had only just gotten off the ground if they were even really around at all when we first started. So it was kind of like, I mean, there was Ostarra. And Ostarra is probably the biggest, you know, competition other than Arctos. But Arctos was mostly original works. Ostarra had a lot of reprints. They're, you know, they just were kind of the same as a lot of the historic right wing publishers. And they focused more on building out a large catalog rather than having modern cover design and editing standards and formatting, et cetera. And so we kind of wanted to take that into a little bit more of a modern, you know, hipster kind of professional direction and see where that took us. And so, you know, it makes people feel good about picking up that book and reading it. Because when you read some of the, like, old school reprints that are, you know, badly formatted, it's, you know, it sort of feels transgressive, I guess. Like you're delving in, you really shouldn't be getting into. No one bothered about it. You know, that doesn't, that doesn't work for everyone. It doesn't capture the widest possible audience. So we worked with a very talented graphic designer, where we are still working with to this day. And, you know, we tried really hard to put together a quality final product that people look professional. It looked like it was sort of a, it looked like it was a regular book publisher, not just a right wing. You're not embarrassed for, you know, your parents to see it. It's your parents by the content instead of the well, but it doesn't look like it was designed on MS Pain or anything like that. Anyway. So, I mean, that was, that was like part of, I think, why we found success, a big part of it. You know, we are all racist, of course. We judge books by their cover. Yeah, you like going, yeah. So, it was like, well, yeah, let's give this a shot. See if we can do it. You know, none of us really had any background in publishing of any kind whatsoever, not even one English degree among us. But we wanted to try and, you know, do something and got a lot of support from a lot of the guys at TRS. Of course, you know, it's no secret that they gave us plenty of getting off the ground. And we wanted to, we wanted to make something, make an institution that was going to, you know, be able to stick around. I mean, at least once we started and found that a little bit traction. It was like, all right, let's, let's make this thing. Something is going to last. And so, we started to professionalize. And that was the impetus for not doing print on demand. Like, you know, let's, let's get it in house. Let's print large volumes of these books and do our own film and stuff like that. That's, it's, I think an excellent motive. Now, I'm going to do something technical wise on here that may disconnect our streams for just a second. They will reconnect automatically within several seconds. So I'm just going to ask our guests and the audience to stand by for just a second while I try to fix this problem. Give me just a second, guys. And hopefully we're going to find out that we're back very soon. And it seems that on Odyssey, it does seem that we are. And so, you know, let's, let's get it in house. Oh, no, Odyssey is still playing the prior thing. Now, I expect that. Why is this happening? All right. Well, I'm just going to have the trouble shoot that afterwards. I thought my VPN might be causing the problem that we had, but that does not appear to be the source of our trouble. Did my audio application crash? Sorry, guys. One man show. Okay, reconnection successful. But I'm still not able to connect to those other platforms. I don't know why. But we'll just, we'll just continue. So we're back. We should be back live on Odyssey. Says that we're connected. And we are. Okay. So we're back on Odyssey. I don't know what's wrong with the other platforms. I'll have to troubleshoot that when I don't have guests on the line. I'm sorry about that. So as we were saying, so when you start doing this now, one of the things that I noticed when I went into the, the Kindle publishing thing is, you know, to publish like reprints of public works is actually something that it seems like almost anybody can do, but you guys have gone to the extent of, you know, higher and graphic designers and sort of putting these things in a more presentable for my gather. What about the original works? What you have some, some authors who are published through you now? Yep. Yeah. So we have, we have a handful of authors that have published multiple works with us. It's got Howard, Marty Phillips. And a larger list, a longer list of, uh, uh, Carrie Bolton, we've gotten to books by Carrie Bolton now. So we've gotten some established authors that have made their way over to us. We're doing reprints of existing works from Paul Kersy. And, uh, yeah. So, so yeah, we have new work as well as a historic reprints, some, some Patrick Pierce ones, you mentioned that was pretty early on one that was already existing writing in English that we reprinted. But most of our works are typically either new translations or a retranslation of a book that there's an existing either unavailable or low quality translation. Yeah. And most of the stuff you can at least find a machine translation online and, you know, sort of get an idea of what it's talking about. But all of our stuff, you know, with a few limited exceptions, it's stuff that you can't really get, at least in a high quality copy. Well, you know, that's kind of the thing. You know, there's that a 20 rule is in effect everywhere. And, you know, you can get 80% of what you need from, you know, open AI, say, you know, doing a translation of a book. But as you mentioned, before, you know, the, the language skill of the, it, it, it, it, it, translator in both languages is pertinent here to really truly convey, you know, the sense of what the author was doing. So I mean, you know, you can basically get the book translated for free. If you want to tolerate open AI's translation, but then you've got, you know, that, that 20% less, that, that 20% quality difference, you know, that makes up 80% of your costs probably more or even right. Yeah. And so, and the other thing is people, people like physical copies of things, like we, we were frankly surprised ourselves at how much people are willing to, you know, basically go out of their way to get a physical copy of books. I mean, you know, I, I mean, I personally also prefer it, but I, I tend to take for granted that, that most people are perfectly willing to read off of a screen. And, and it actually doesn't seem to be all as much true as you think. A lot of people are really, really want that tactile, like physical book. I mean, not to mention, of course, the fact that, that, you know, you can't, you can't de-platform a book off your shelf. You can't censor, you know, or whatever Google can't touch your bookshelf. Well, they, they can't, they can't touch your bookshelf. You know, we can get to Fahrenheit 451 levels, you know, and it doesn't, I don't know how far we are from there. I mean, we're, we're at 1984 approaching Brave New World rapidly. And so, who knows? Live smart bookshelves. But, you know, what, what do you guys, I mean, what do you, tell me this, what's the difference for the author to go through you or to just go through Amazon? What, what, what does he gain or, or what does the advantage of the author? Well, I mean, in obviously an existing customer base, the graphic design, professional formatting, professional editing, proofreading services, and the ability to, you know, have the assurance that we're not going to de-platform, you know, they're not going to get kicked off of their, their, their only service provider. Of course, if you're, you're an author, you have something relatively uncontroversially, you can, you can probably, you know, maintain access to Amazon fairly consistently. But, you know, we're catering to an audience of people, not an audience, we're catering to a, an authorship of people who believe in the mission and the, you know, the interests of the future of the white race and, you know, in the world. And, and, if that's reflected in their books, then it's not going to last on Amazon too long. Well, and let's not forget that our royalty rates are competitive. Yeah, no, that's not true. That's, you know, shielded us here. Some people get a better deal from us than they do from Amazon. Yeah. I mean, it depends on, you know, the size and, you know, there's a couple different factors that are at play there. But certainly, if you're paying anything out to have the book edited and, you know, formatted, we don't charge author's. Anything. So we, we, you know, you give us a book that we accept, you're not going to pay a single penny out of pocket for the production of that book. Yeah. Of course, that means that we're, you know, we have to be very selective about what we do is publish. We're not going to publish anything. Yeah. We're not Amazon. Right. Right. Yeah, that's the funny thing about Amazon is literally anything can be published there. Whether you're going to sell any copies is another question because they just, you know, they print the books up on demand and it obviously calls them next to nothing to distribute the kindle. Funds. Corey, we actually had when we were doing some printing through Amazon because there's different services that Amazon provides. Right. And we had some books printed. We got a copy of one of, I don't remember what book it was. Do you remember? Oh, man, I, I know where you're going with. I can't remember what the actual what book it was supposed to be. That it was so it was our cover and the interior of the book was black erotic like fan fiction. There's something. So still not sure if that was an accident or somebody's idea of a, I guess, an own on the Nazis. It was those two good to be on purpose. Yeah. You guys mentioned that some of the works that you've published through Amazon have been removed, but you guys still have like a now I don't know I, I, my limited understanding of it is that Amazon has a different interface for publishers than for authors, I guess. And so like you basically have a relationship with Amazon and the author can publish through you to Amazon or just the author maintain his own author account and do it that way or. So it would, it would, the distribution would go through us. So yes, as you know like Marty's books, I believe, or are still on Amazon. And they actually, I think for some reason, I think the hard cover is banned, but like not the soft cover vice versa. Anyway. That that goes through an all appeal. Yes, we have. We have. Yeah. It would get it would get overly technical and boring for the audience. I promise if I get to get to. Yeah, I shouldn't, I shouldn't start like trying to figure out my own business plans on the radical agenda. But I guess it's time to mention though. We're looking for new wives if you're interested. Well, you know, I just published my first book, which is, you know, you get hardly even call it a call it a book. It's 26 pages. Actually a monologue from one of my podcasts that I decided to to publish. I'm actually working on my, my second book right now is actually about my run for Congress in, in 2010, which is actually turning out to be a more interesting read that is not comprised of things that are already public. So maybe we'll talk about that. And we'll see. You know, the, when you have had the problems with Amazon with them, you know, de platforming books, do you have, you have a dispute resolution process? Can you talk about that at all? Yeah, I think we did try. And then it was basically like two weeks, you know, I think that might have been the origin of the business weeks that became a bit of a meme within the, the, the antelope team was actually them saying like we'll get back to you in like four to five weeks. So he started saying that, but yeah, no, it's a joke. There's no, there's no recourse. But I guess, you know, there's mentioning the only reason that we have Amazon at all, because we fulfill everything ourselves. Right. Amazon's there for basically international customers. Right. Where us shipping to them would cost, you know, four times more than the actual book. Yeah, so, so for those who may not be aware of the Amazon, when you buy a book internationally, they're likely printing in, you know, your home, economic or trade zone. Obviously, they probably don't have printers in every single country, but that's how they can maintain the prices being low. If we have to send a book to Europe, for example, it's going to be like minimum $30 shipping just in shipping alone. So yeah, we, we, we encourage international customers to buy there because they will save a lot of money on shipping as compared to buying from our website. But for domestic customers, our website's going to be cheaper because we, you know, we have to pump up the price a little bit on Amazon because they take a cut. Yeah. And I saw that you guys found yourselves when the SPLC started coming after you as there was some controversy because you guys were getting some of these books into like public libraries and stuff, right? Yeah, that actually wasn't any of our specific doing those were our loyal fans and customers that were getting some of our books into into various different places. Yeah, they weren't happy about that. I do. I did find it. I think we, I forget which book it was. It might have been one of the man's worlds or something landed on Jack Pasovie's desk and then. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he very quickly deleted after after what was it? I think Hayden sub tweeted him. Michael Edison hated and I go way back, you know, before he was. When he was still a look on the low lead newsweek beat before he got upgraded to the real scumbags over at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Yeah, he's a big fan of ours. He's got a long list of fans, doesn't he? Yeah. He's, you know, you do. Michael Edison hated all you could, the only good thing you could say about him is that he works hard. He's he's he's never he's never not listening to Nazi podcasts are breaking somebody's balls. The guys guys all over his job. So I think I'm a Nazi if he keeps listening. Well, you know, that's kind of the funny thing, right? You know, I people, people criticize me for I still will talk to mainstream media from time to time, depending on how I'm feeling that that day. They don't really care to talk to me too much these days, but you know, right up until the fucking feds broke my door down. They they they talked to me from time to time. And they're like, why do you talk to them? Mike, well, you know, if they keep on listening, you know, we're going to affect their ideas. You know, they can't help it, you know, and you know, some some somehow they maintain some level of immunity to it. I don't know how they do, but I'm sure it drives them completely fucking nuts. Yeah, I can't honestly I tried for once I wanted to listen to an anti-foot podcast. You're like, I don't even remember what it was. I wanted like some like dirt back opposition research. Yeah, I know like I made it like 10 minutes in and like this is horrible. I can't like this. I'm bored. I don't know what's going on. It sucks. Like these people aren't entertaining. I can't do not understand. I guess, you know, at least most of our guys are entertaining. Yeah, you know, real quick. I'll point out right before we came on the air, you mentioned something about the laptop and the platform that it's on. I'm hearing movement of that table through the microphone just just to be aware of it's not that bad. It's not debilitating to the listener by just figuring out make you aware of it. I've always said that like all of the attempts at left wing talk radio is safer like NPR have been complete failures. Right. Like they actually it's not. You know radio is a thinking man's medium and the whole point of left wing propaganda is to like make thought impossible. You know, you're basically you know the talk radio is something that's you know it's a it's a thinking man's medium and you try to put this nonsense in there like yeah there's you know there's you could be any number of genders and people are like no I can't do that while thinking. I have to put my mind in some other state than rational thought to to comprehend that nonsense you know and so they've never been say again. Need the flashing colors to distract you from the unreality of the yeah you need to watch like Rachel Maddow freak out like a dope feeling withdrawal you need your eyes distracted to make that make any sense you know. So it doesn't it doesn't work radio for them you know the only way they're able to do it is NPR and NPR of course exists you know at the behest of government subsidy and charity from lunatics right. And so they sell their stupid little fucking handbags or whatever and and and they get a little old ladies to go send them their fucking social security checks and other ways they don't exist. It's the government it's publicly funded how do the how like how do they sleep at night asking people for donations. Pay your taxes that's what you pay your taxes. Well in there I'm not not to defend NPR but you know they they whenever you say that about them when Twitter labeled them state media. They went into a conibption fits they're like only you know some you know 25% of our funding actually comes from taxpayer money like well don't I wish that 25% of my fucking revenue came from the government right. You know and and the reason that 25% of your revenue makes up the reason the government makes up only 25% of your revenues because you're you're bringing the other 75% in through these other variety of means to do it right you know they don't have they don't have advertisements that you would hear on you know daily wire or rush limbaugh but they you know they they have their NPR style plugs right which is you know those are paid advertisements and then they turn around they. They solicit donations and they and they're like yeah by the fucking handbag or whatever and people do that and you know but I can't imagine that. I you know the people who are doing that I imagine are largely doing it as a form of activism right they like oh this is exactly what I want I want the government to take over the media because. You know because I'm a I'm that kind of you know 1984 lunatic you know. I'm so you know I listen to a lot of NPR when I was in prison and you know that's that's basically the only the only way that you could do it is lock me in a fucking cage and and deprived me of other alternatives you know and I got more familiar with that platform during the three years that I was in their custody. They are in the art now with the white papers podcast. If you've never listened to that then go check it out you'll know what I'm talking about. And so all right so you guys you guys are doing the reprints you've got the you know a few authors you're you published a book by the guy calls himself raw egg nationalist or did you use his real name early when I missed that or this is one of the things I read right. Yeah no I don't I have no idea what his real name is so I don't think anyone does but yeah he's a British. Bro scientists I think that's that's what they call it he's a yeah he's like I don't know I guess the BAP sphere is is a is a general term to use for. But yeah really are our usual thing no but he wanted that guy's hilarious yeah like he approached us and and I guess one of his mutuals put us in touch initially for for his first book which was the raw egg nationalist cookbook which is fun some good recipes in there and it's like a high gloss you know hard cover is one of our first versions of that before he's into that type of printing. And yeah so you just kept coming back so we have three years of his man's world magazine hard cover you know yearly edition and his book the ex-penetrating option which is like a yeah like a narrative not narrative I should say like a political treat us on on how food is related to all the social changes that we have. So he's been a pretty loyal author for us and he was on Tucker so you know he's probably our most high profile author. You mentioned the transgender industrial complex it was banned from Amazon who's the who's the author on that one. He's done several books was yeah three books yeah so he's got transgender industrial complex was his first one and then open society playbook and then the plot against humanity's most recent I think he's got another book coming out soon but I won't tease it just in case we have anything. And so the are his other books still available on Amazon or just the transgender industrial complex got banned. I couldn't tell you got to be an ass I don't know I can check for you what else got banned from Amazon that we could talk about. So I believe running souls is no longer available on Amazon so the girls I see if ironically the one that you would think which is the Hitler speeches I believe that's still available. So I think that's pretty sure you're right I think that's the key search by a author on it. So that's interesting so I mean you know this is yes. Yeah this seems to be a consistent rhyme or reason to it. Any of the other words the essential speeches of Adolf Hitler is still available on Amazon as of now. The couple of the other of our fair right collection books are also available I think is probably because they're just like their historical and that seems to be. You mentioned that mine comp is also available on Amazon so I think that they sort of give a pass to stuff if it's justifiably historical whereas if it's a little bit too ideological without a historical context something like transgender industrial complex a new work. Or even to grow old stuff as being sort of a generally unknown to the average consumer you know without that historical context it they seem to be much more inclined to. It does appear that the burning souls is available and it's available from Antelopeil publishing I'm looking at looking at your own listing right now actually. So none of it nothing's actually available from Antelopeil publishing it's I think it's probably just listing the publisher on there so so yeah you're right okay the. I remember the other ones that we was the other to grow book maybe I don't know probably. And then the other thing is that that like it gets and this is what's this is what I was trying not to like the more the audience with. There are third party redistributors that that we can indirectly access that then themselves like list on Amazon and we don't even actually have control over that so so it's there's third party services that we can list our books with that eventually end up on Amazon and that seems to for whatever reason have less accessibility and and ability then then our. Our account originally when we were listening them so once again we actually don't have an active account for our physical books on Amazon everything that we sell comes through these this like roundabout third party redistributor. That's interesting and I mean I wouldn't want to prod you for trade secrets or whatever but I will tell you don't worry too much about boring the radical agenda audience sometimes part of the reason that they tune into this program is we get into the weeds on things and and so a lot of them do appreciate it and so like. But that sounds like we would be getting into business practices that maybe I don't know if you'd really want to discuss anyway. So you you have these relationships with these other distributors but I guess the upside to that for the author then is is probably that they have more promotional mechanisms than you have at your own disposal then. Sure okay yeah. Let's see here. The first children's book was the 12 dancing princesses and other stories from Europe tell me a little bit about that. Sure yeah so we we had the proposal from someone friend or friend that had put together some original illustrations and to to some classical children's book they're sorry like German fairy tales. Traditional stories yeah traditional yeah so it was it was kind of that was one of our first that was our first children's book as you mentioned with the the goal of seeing what kind of you know interest there was and there was a pre substantial amount of people that you know wanted to get something that you know maybe to give to the children of their liberal you know family members. Whatever that's the thing that you know family members or whatever that's the thing that you know that kind of stuff just becomes politically relevant with all the you know culture war stuff about you know children's books like my two moms or whatever the hell they're putting you know these bookstores so we thought it'd be worthwhile to at least you know put out something that people could go and buy and and know what they're getting that it's not going to be a bunch of crazy shit. Additionally the sense we were sort of just talking about Amazon distribution there there are. Amazon's internal like book you know printing and distribution mechanisms do not have options for a high gloss color hard hard bound books so we do you know are we are the only ones that can offer. As the publisher direct from our facility those works that we have which is a this is a good number of now we have three different children's books and and then of course a handful of the rents but raw national books that are high gloss hard covers. So you mentioned direct from your own facility so you're actually doing printing of the books on your you have in house capacity to print the books. No not printing just just like fulfillment so we you know we place the orders and receive and manage the warehousing and distribution so. Yeah in the interest of you know just not having a single failure point though you know we go through a bunch of different printers and whatever so that we don't have that that single you know in platforming. So we have a full of the ability and we have actually gotten banned off of one printer that we use pretty heavily initially has banned us as a company so you know that it's something that happens you know we honestly I didn't think it was going to happen but. And we we even tried to sneak one under their nose and like making a new account and have something printed and they they didn't. Yeah so you tried under like another account to have a book printed and they were like now I know who you not she cocks are yeah yeah I think well obviously you know we're still printing our actual name in the book so yeah all I have to do is actually look at it. I want to try to be that sneaky I think it was also it was our special edition of Adolf Hitler's speeches so they may have thrown a red flag. So we bought that ebook from you guys they came recommended to me and so that was my my my first purchase with Antelope Hill I bought the e-pub and it is it is a great book and so you have you know what is the you mentioned that you have these different imprints so like the fiction imprints is Jack Lope Hill and then the little frog Hill is the children's book imprints what why the difference in imprints what's the branding it can. It is a consideration there I don't I mean really we're just kind of having fun with it yeah it was it was Jack Lope Hill for fiction you know fictional creature thought that was that'd be good yeah I got a little frog Hill or you know our our yeah yeah I didn't I didn't I didn't do that. I mean it was basically the you know it's not the all on the same website and you know there's no yeah there's no real difference now it's just you know a a means of I guess in maybe at some future point dividing the catalog a little bit for accessibility and search ability something like that so I mean look you know and I intend for this to be a friendly interview but you tell me that you know you've got other people connecting to Amazon for you you've got other people publishing the books you've got other people getting them into the libraries like you guys other than you guys are just I mean you did mention that you do like the graphic designs and sort of like you know putting I guess editing the menu script and so I mean you know I'm going to do that. I'll tell you guys about that stuff like that you know for an author are there other services that you provide. So like you said the graphic design editing formatting don't take for granted how much of a difference formatting makes I mean that that is a significant amount of labor to you know it's not just copy paste text into a word document and hit print. I've come to more fully appreciate that very recently. I imagine if you self published you would. Yeah the so that we as mentioned we have the facilities and a relationship with many different printers so we can maintain up time we have our own website and of course payment processing and and the ability to to host and and make available these books to a fairly large existing audience. We have several hundred you know probably actually more than a thousand yeah thousands over the history of the company of many repeat customers who buy several of our books you know if not every single one that comes out so you know we have a fairly substantial existing customer base that we can offer as well as the just knowledge and industry and we've been in the industry. We've been really recently we've been pushing our public image and accessibility to to we want to put ourselves a little bit more in front of the audiences of creators like yourself and just remind people that you know we have a catalog and and you know get that kind of earned media and advertising going that we were a little bit more trepidacious about when we first started. We've also been sending a lot of review copies out so if you yourself would like any any of our books you know just let us know and we're happy to send you review copy and we've been pretty generous with this count codes and you know and other things to to basically get the message out there so that is something that we do for our authors and and you know existing catalog we we do we have been especially this year really is really good. We've been the big push to get you know get get known throw a bit of a wider net. Yeah exactly now you mentioned the payment processing which I've I've certainly faced some challenges with I'm very glad that you know new options have emerged while I was in the cost of the United States government for for conducting financial transactions. I'm not sure if you guys are running any problems with payment processors that been pretty stable for you. Thus far no we've managed to stay ahead of that issue and we even actually have some backups you know ready to go if we do get we do lose our existing processor. I don't think any any of our financial services have been a problem to date but like I mentioned it was not major problem. Do you think that there's a lot of it. Yeah do you think that there's when you're talking about books right you know the the lab they try to call Ron to Santa's a book burner notably because they understand that like an American culture the book is a special cultural reference you know do you think that books grant you a little bit more leeway than say podcasts or blogs might might I'm going to say product that probably not for the reason that you're you're bringing up now I don't think is anything special to do with books it I think it's probably like 95% of the benefit that we received has been just by distributing a physical product because the frankly the justifiable fraud risk of digital or you know media based products. Is a big I think that that just lowers the threshold of de platforming like pretty pretty significantly when when you're distributing a physical product it's just it's a lot you know you have you have the cover of having a physical item that arrives to a customer and not that of course any of the right wing podcasters are fraudulently generating revenue for themselves through stolen credit cards or anything. Like that however the fact that that is a possibility raises one the attention on the account and to the in you know lowers the the other requirements for for you know suspension of services so that is that's I think most of I'm conscious of the distinction that you're making you know when I first ran into payment processing issues you know post charlots will one of the things that I did was I was started like an online retailer I started a website called edgy goodies where I would basically sell physical products and I had gone to like try to get payment processing for the radical agenda was completely impossible I I actually ended up getting I got on the phone with an agent who deals with these like payment processing companies and he got on the line with me and he's like yeah you're basically blacklisted for anything to do with radio and I was like you got to be fucking kidding me guys I'm so I like I'm a little bit of a weird guy. And he's like yeah you could start like another company like you could ship products and I was like okay I guess I'll ship products and then I'll you know advertise the products on my website or whatever and I started doing that I was able to I was able to obtain prep payment processing that way that I couldn't even do for like I started before I might be what might be described as the first iteration is real politics I started to think called outlaw conservative not very well thought out try to do like a clean version of the radical agenda and I could I had trouble getting payment processing for that as soon as I go I'd like to go on to the website with the with the products they like yeah you could you know if you if we tell you that you can't ship products that's a more definite like you're shut out of the financial system you know and they I guess more than the concern for fraud because you know I've never had a charge back for example and you know like stripe is like oh you're too high risk for us I'm like I've been in business for over a decade and I've never had a charge back what are you talking about high risk you know it's you know that they're more concerned I think that they're washing donations right in in the name of digital sales right that they're not that you're not that you're worried about you're doing stolen credit cards but that you're you know basically passing off what are fundamentally donations and you're trying to pass them off as sales because they have different rules for those sorts of things seems to be you know the impetus of it they don't want to finance the political activity but they have a different it's more difficult for them to justify shutting you out of you know buying and selling because once you do that then you know they're not going to get you know the money then you're officially cut out of the financial system and they got they got more to answer for I think and so that makes sense to me you know in the course of doing this though I mean you guys have been attacked by the SPLC you know your your your wiki pdia says you're a white nationalist publishing company it does the does the marketing literature of anthill O'Pill market itself is a white nationalist publishing company is there is that a categorization that you have sought to dispute at all I mean no like the company is not a white nationalist company the the the company is a you know exists to fulfill its mission statement and making you know pro western anti-liberal you know thought available and yeah I mean we know that I'm going to protest too much now characterization sure I mean it's no de-sealing for definition over this yeah that's never been a part of our our advertising literature no it's never been a part of our mission statement or anything official that we put out about the company that is a description that they have applied to us we we are you know we are Americans we are white Americans the company is run by and and you know for a white Americans and you know we believe that nationalist ideas should be made accessible to to the public and especially the ones that typically get repressed which typically you know lend themselves towards a certain racialist nationalist view but yeah I mean the the end of the day the company's object is to to make these ideas available to people that they you know we believe that they're there is a value to the European western civilized world and that it should not go extinct but beyond that the company itself does not have a political agenda suffice to say the analytical publishing the goal of of this publishing company is not to make America yes white yeah the goal of the publishing companies to publish books correct now I know we talked before about you know I do a two hour show I I told you I'd keep you guys for at least the first hour is it okay with you if we I'm sorry to put you on the spot in for the audience is it okay if I keep you a little bit longer no sure okay good good good because we've been because of my my unique interest in the details of your publishing company I haven't even gotten to talk to you about ideas yet and so we're just getting started and so and so the company you know was begun the as I was reading it as I was reading your wiki pdf which is it is you know some people might not know as an antifa blog wiki pdf so not all of their information is is perfectly accurate but you know there was something called the there was a bull moose party thing on a on a college campus that was like a trumpet thing that was being branded white nationalist with whatever level of justification and and it spins out of this does that ring any bells to you can you elaborate I mean there's there's a lot of things that get you know thrown around okay I mean that's not that's not the that's not an angle that we want to pursue them and so the the antelope ill website as you say at the mission statement of it I just had it up in a tab here and then I went to another tab the antelope ill publishing seeks to ensure history culture and revolutionary ideas will be preserved in written word and made easily accessible fairly priced and professionally published the best reputation of historical revision is is a clear statement of primary counts fighting the battle for mines from the printed page instead of locked away in secret hard drives and foreign languages antelope ill translates transcribes and republishes existing work in print and ebook format we are also looking for the authors who will tell the story of the current generation so that we can publish the words that will inspire us to victory if there is an old book you would like to see republished or translated into English we want to hear from you if you are dissident who wants his voice heard we want to publish you we believe in preservation with the printed page whenever possible to ensure independence from state or corporate control we are willing to take on books that other publishers would consider a reputational risk we will publish for lost causes righteous mercenaries anonymous critics freedom fighters revolutionaries and exiles you know that actually the that last line there it brings an interesting thing to morn you know if somebody wants to go published to amazon on their own they've got to tell amazon who they are right if they if they they're going to go tell this company which is you know not on our side by any stretch of the imagination yeah here's the social security number that you need to file the tax form with and uh... then you can go ahead and publish this dissident work of mine that is going to attract the attention of the intelligence agencies do you protect the identities of authors and how of course yes we yes we we consider that in this business and in this you know sphere of people and you know targeting the clientele and authors that we are the that's something that we take seriously and uh you know I've always done our due diligence to uh maintain it um and I understand that you know to to describe precisely how would would probably defeat the purpose of the enterprise but can you can you elaborate on that at all we i mean we general i mean you know we're going to ask for as little information as possible and whatever information we do ask for doesn't leave yeah you know the the immediate person to whom it is relevant yeah we we we fulfill our obligations to the IRS as far as um uh taxes and documentation and filing goes and we aid our uh contractors and authors in uh structuring their records and uh bookkeeping in such a way as to do so as well and keep themselves as um as anonymous as is legally allowable and of course all our contracts are going to include you know you're sort of typical non-disclosure provisions um for what those are worth obviously you know the contractual stuff is never a guarantee and if you ever have to enforce it you're already in a position you don't want to be in um of course but you know we do everything that we can yeah well that's a valuable service indeed you know as I as I published um my first book to Amazon I mean it's not anything that I was seeking to hide I already published it under my real name but you know it occurred to me that you know there are probably people who would love to publish a book who are like I'm not given Amazon my social security number you know and so that that does seem to me a valuable uh a valuable service that you are providing to the authors and so you know one of the things mentioned here is you know trying to expand our uh break out of the ghetto say to to expand our access to beyond our you know our echo chamber as it has become and you know this has become a serious problem especially in the wake of 2017 with the massive de-platforming that happened and you know that has had a deforming effect not only on our ability to reach other people but I think it's had a terrible internal effect too that basically you know you have this this people are stuck in their telegram groups in there and their gab echo chambers or whatever and they're not a lot of times the people are not being exposed to other ideas they're not bouncing their ideas off of other people and this leads to a lot of uh a a a an advantage for them out contents that I don't think what otherwise exists you know you you state as part of your mission here to try to you know break us out of that and how do you believe that anthilo pill uh is advancing that goal well honestly I mean it's it's a goal that we have I don't know that we're doing anything as special to contribute towards it I mean we've we've gone undergone the campaign as I mentioned earlier somewhat recently if trying to reach out people like yourself and as anyone who have us on and you know review a book uh to just I guess make the this little community we have a little bit bigger um but uh uh yeah I mean I you know I couldn't agree more uh with what you're saying and it's it's amazing to me like how little people talk to each other in this sort of fear anymore it's like everyone talks to the same like dozen people just tiny little microgettos it's it's really bad and I certainly grew with you about the horrific internal effect that has had on the sort of general culture and attitudes the people are are showing right now and it's it really it's the biggest challenge that I think we're facing as much as social media generally is a is a uh socio logical problem uh and sickness in many ways I do think that there are certain you know for this specific discussion there are certain platforms that are worse than others and uh telegrams got to be about one of the worst uh because it is it it lends itself towards small isolated uh you know very internally focused groups uh whereas something like twitter is much more public and you know has a lot more uh accessibility still has its little cross but all those people are talking in public for the most part and there's cross-pollination like it is and so on you know I think the the best thing that we're in a position to do is like well I guess to to back up a little bit one of my big inspirations for for involving myself in this um was how much arctose especially impacted me back in like 2016 um you know I was I was always a big reader I like history and philosophy and all that kind of stuff and so when I found arctose and I was like you know wow finally I found some some people who are of a like mind to me who are actually putting out stuff you know that I can I can sink my teeth into right not just internet posts not just yeah videos or or even podcasts or whatever like I was a very visual learner I wanted like I wanted to get a Julius Evela and Nietzsche and all kinds of of niche stuff like that um and my hope is that whenever the next big wave of enthusiasm comes back around and I think it will um for for you know political stuff that we can help to just draw in more people like that who are intellectually curious and you know want to really get into this and sink their teeth into it and equip themselves for this sort of ideological struggle that they want to participate in well I mean to you mention I'm asking you about trying to break out of the echo chamber and you mentioned coming on a show like this one and I'm glad that you came on I'm enjoying the conversation but are you doing any more mainstream advertising or promotion are you are you actually uh is the company trying to market in any way outside of our our political and social circle so we we we limitately and then we basically what we started doing is we're reaching out to the I guess the the fringes of this circle you know on the side of I guess the the more oh thanks what back in the day would have been called a late right uh the the terms kind of dead now but yeah I think you've had the trump christmas land um like trying to trying to see if we can worm our way into into some of those uh circles uh we've got some some you know we've got right nationalist who's yeah and he was on Tucker he's got a little bit more of a mainstream following so so we've been sort of leveraging that and I think he does it him he doesn't have a positive way to where he's not really sacrificing the message no because obviously we want to avoid that at all yeah and and and then and then we've got like American regime has gotten some good traction and like sort of I guess otherwise normy trump circles because it's a a book about the J-Six from the perspective of J-Six prisoner and what he has come to understand about you know American politics but uh basically superficially the fact that it's a J-Six prisoner is uh has been has been enough to break into that a little bit um so trying to lean into those uh fissures that that we've already sort of made into law in us and uh and the you know I guess more normy uh right wing uh is that's that's our start at least um if I could just maybe I'll just drop the suggestion I mean it seems to be that you're in a position to buy regular advertisements I mean there's you know whether it's uh I would hope that the distribution companies that you're working with to get you on amazon are you know there's some kind of promotional budget to get the the books boosted there uh a Google ad words or you know even Facebook and you guys are you guys do you have a presence on Facebook so we have actually we have done all that uh we we've we've spent a good amount of money and on uh Facebook Twitter uh and Google advertisements and uh you know there are certain metrics that you have you have clicks you know like our website has has its own analytics and things like that so we can see you know the effect of that and it's basically nothing um yeah unfortunately I think generally mainstream ads even if even targeted ones like Facebook uh in Twitter that you can like you know select your demographic are kind of dead because people are so desensitized to advertising that they that they generally especially for something that's not all that flashy like a book like the you know even people that buy books yeah even people that buy books don't click on ads for books right um and so that store on look around yeah um so we we've given it a shot you know it's that's definitely it's not something we haven't considered um but no uh yeah are also our redistributors do nothing for us other than basically provide like layers of of like account uh you know socks the and business identities to to get the same book back on amazon it's it's ridiculous but but yeah that they're they're not doing anything for us I can really think you know for for us and also for a lot of other just kind of creators um you know it's it's been tougher in the last few years and and that I think really just has to do with the public enthusiasm or lack thereof for political subjects um I'm going to be honest I still think it's also I mean I still I think it that a big part of it also has to do with the fact that people are just back to work from covid you know work from home a lot of companies are going back to work and also between interest rates and the general slowing of the economy uh people just have money to spend on consumer engagements you know I I don't know that there's less people tuning in I think there's just less money coming in um generally I think I might be broke but I think there's definitely less people tuning in across the board um yeah I mean there was uh the decreased you know distribution through social media and of course uh you know whenever whenever money's tighter than you know people have less to spend on on on their intellectual and entertainment pursuits for sure um and so what about like networking in the industry you guys are you uh you go to I don't know I don't know anything about the publishing industry I've been a podcaster and I've only just started thinking of myself as a as a book author um is there or you guys go to like trade conferences anything like that is there in roads no no so the thing is the reality is like I mean it's you know we're we're like the neighborhood bank trying to you know like you don't go to the banking conference with Jayce Morgan Chase yeah like like like they're they're they're basically like five publishers that dominate like 99% of the existing industry and it's incredibly monopolized and whatever is outside of that tends to be very niche subject area stuff cookie nonsense who are those five publishers uh jesus penguin Maxwell is nice yeah uh uh is random house part of i think penguin is random house probably they all they all like own each other and like any name that you can think of is probably owned by a bigger company on top of it um so I don't know off the top my head and so I mean you know what's the what's the strategy for trying to compete with these guys uh basically I mean to to print stuff they won't yeah yeah that's sort of the long and short of it um you know we do a good bit of uh coordination with other publishers like us yeah as mentioned we have a good relationship with arctose and I'm pretty much all the other ones uh you know i'm period so I mean how do how do arctose and impureum you know react to like hey you know we're trying to do this thing and you guys come and button button in on our business you say you have a good relationship with them though oh yeah no we yeah the I mean we tend to be differentiated enough from each other that we're not really stepping on toes and there's you know there's a general agreement also to not publish things that someone else it's not already has published yeah it's not my responsibility but uh I mean I I'm a I know there's I think there's like a twitter group that uh uh uh it might be telegram now I'm not sure uh the bit like you know everybody posts like all the publishers post their their future books and just to make sure nobody's you know publishing the same one uh so I hope that's not a trade secret I've just released a pretty simple idea though um well you know um I suppose the deals with the different authors might vary do you take um do you do you establish exclusive do you does the author maintain his intellectual property registers are you buying the the intellectual property rights of the books oh so typically what we're doing is is we're just um we're basically buying a license from them for a separate period of years um it's almost always exclusive uh but we don't we don't take ownership of the intellectual property rights okay um just a license yeah I mean you know and and even when you get into that and the the legalities of that kind of stuff it's honestly it's it's tough to enforce and it's usually not worth doing it that way even if we were selling client okay um what about audiobooks you're doing audiobooks yeah yeah we've got a good catalog of audiobooks um uh in his own words uh the um that's the that's the book of Hitler speeches yeah um the I happen to know a very talented voice artist with a very expensive microphone uh I mean there's a rich buttery voice that everybody loves listening to um we've done sort of like you know celebrity audiobooks yeah we have new Gentiles read by Maraqiu uh it's too good to pass up yeah I believe that was my idea but um the yeah so I mean we've got yeah we've got a good catalog I think it's probably about the six or seven audiobooks that that we have now catalog um uh that are that are pretty good quality you know I think they um they're very listenable yeah I think when I when I bought when I bought in his own words from you guys I I got the e-pub was made available as a as a pretty free download you guys don't do any sort of like you know with the kindle you basically have a digital rights management uh product and evolved in that you guys don't offer that right no no I mean it's it's it's not worth it you know the the second a uh a scanner digital copy gets out on the internet you know you can find it if you're determined enough yeah um if you you know in my work with um like licensing intellectual property for for for my shows like there's there's like performers rights organizations and and they'll register like you know even just a few chords of music will trigger a thing like a like a recognition on something like youtube you don't you don't have anything like that uh no um I think I think we have explored them and they were either prohibitively difficult to set up or or prohibitively expensive um so yeah I think the main thing is we'd have to be actually selling more volume to make it worth yeah right the enforcement costs and and to be I mean the higher thing on the internet today like frankly the the biggest thing that that's saying um uh internet or digital media uh is is too fold in my opinion um what one the general incompetence of uh and laziness of the next generation of people that like you know like people over the age of like 27 uh at 26 27 knew how to like operate torrents people under that age don't and and like yeah they'd rather just spend the money because it's more convenient for them that's kind of an interesting phenomenon I think you know what I am fully immersed in all of the torrents and the peer to peer stuff and uh I think that you're you're you're right that like I talked to younger people about that and they're like what the hell are you talking about you know like I just download my music from i2 and whatever yeah um and so that's kind of like an it that seems to have um fallen out a fashion say and so um yeah I mean you know I'm like thinking back to you know when I would pirate music or whatever and it's like you had wine and wire yeah or like after that one of the things that I would do is go uh find like the YouTube music yeah yeah but then but then it wouldn't have the album art so I'd have to have to go and drop the album art you're more artistic than me that level of effort is something that most people are willing to know I would just go with that level that's because you're like a couple years older than me and that's why I um now I you know I forgot that youtube tempi 3 was a thing until most recently what I did was because I wanted to listen to the Tucker Putin interview but I was getting on a plane that didn't have wifi and and I'm like I'm like I can't download the whole two hour long like high death video and I'm like ah right youtube tempi 3 and so that's what I did uh youtube tempi 3 yeah I've made some use of the the youtube tempi 3 servers myself and uh especially for archival purposes because you never know how long something's going to stay on youtube these days um and so um what else guys well um I mean I I think that you know I I one of the things that I've always appreciated about you uh Chris is that that you've not been shy about the fact that you're running a business and that this is a you know that this is required to be sustainable and unfortunately I think that that there's a bit of a cultural phenomena generally with I think it might just be applicable to um uh any any a lot of media space typically falls into this but this is a business and if you if you like the you know the content if you like the service that you're receiving then you know having uh you know don't don't accuse people being shills for for soliciting um you know contributions financial support and uh and you've always been you know pretty good about that and I remember you going on TRS then but you know basically giving a pitch to give those guys money um but uh you know uh way back when this this is this is what we need to do to become serious we need sustainable enterprises and institutions that can actually pay their own bills and and you know make it worthwhile for the people that are that are spending their time and sacrificing their you know personal reputations and and livelihoods in many cases to to stick around and keep you know spreading the word and and maintaining the presence of these ideas um in the world and uh you know that's you know I just wanted to do you think that's that's that's that's a that's a worthwhile point to to get into as a matter of fact you know um we we don't want to get into all the the weeds of it both of us have been the targets of bad actors and and the bad actors do seem to have this very conspicuous habit of anybody who's trying to make money is the people who they attack most that they're they are instantly accused of being bad actors and grifters and and people start screaming shuckles as if all things financial are Jewish and it's like well as a matter of fact there's nothing worth doing that gets done without money right and and what these people are fundamentally doing is saying that we should all remain the the type of people who who do things that are not worth anything is is really what they're saying aren't they yeah now that's that's absolutely it and and it's the I think that whether it's conscious or not you know which I guess it's been done which you know one of these bad actors you're talking about but it doesn't really change the fact that like in order to be serious about this you know we we we need to be professionals and in order to be professionals we need to have access to professional resources and and that requires professional you know compensation and and income and you know we we can't expect all of our you know authors and editors and and you know graphic designers and proofreaders to to work for free you know therefore we can't we can't give these books out for free and you know we we spend a lot of our time that we could be doing other things working on this so so you know in order to sustain our own livelihoods and and existence as we we need compensation and and the fact that that's a dirty subject I think is unfortunate generally yeah and I mean you know it's sort of a more general point it's like weaponizing but basically must have just jealousy like that is like that's one of the enemies greatest tools right if they can if they can just make you fight each other over or shit like that and and crab bucket each other than than they never actually have to do anything right you'll do it for them yeah I had brought up I I I've read this on the show a couple of times you know there was a peacher there was a there was a paper published in the journal nature which is an interesting place to publish such a thing about a strategy for defeating white nationalism and the idea was literally to insert fake social media users to to try to play on the differences between various right-wing groups and get them to attack one another and and this was articulated in a strategy I want to say in 2018 and you know what what becomes obvious when you when you start thinking about the the strategy of the people who come after us and and they're they're really terrible habit of bragging about what they do is that this is not something that they were contemplating this is something that they had done to and to tremendous effect and of course once it was you know then publicly made you know publicly put out there then the idea that they would not begin to pursue that as preposterous and I become convinced that you know I I've I mentioned to you I think I think we said that I said this all the recording you know one of the things that constantly happens my listeners are very familiar with you know there's always people trying to stoke conflict between me and the guys at TRS you know they understand that on some level we're business competitors and that you know there's a that there's a there's an incentive to attack one's business competitor right and I'm like well I'm not going to participate in that at all because I know exactly what it is that you're doing and it's actually not in my best interest it's not in my best interest I'm not going to gain anything by attacking these guys and so like the you know these people try to stoke conflict they try to stoke the internescent conflict with with the full knowledge that we can do more damage to each other than the ADL could have attempt to and you know that that that phenomenon is sadly it works entirely too well to their advantage and so I've been you know tried to make a point not to not to engage you know with notable exceptions as some people I do believe are just so disreputable that they they need to be called out but it really needs to rise to a very high level for me to for me to engage in that and when you see that you know some of these people who devote their the most amount of time to it it's conspicuous it's it's always they're always going after people who are trying to make money because you know that's how things that's that's the measurement of your success in large part you're either going to be winning elections or you're going to be driving revenue and outside of that you know what however you measuring your success how are you determining if you're succeeding you know you know yeah well yeah exactly right and then exactly some of these people also I mean they have insane ideas of what running a business looks like like this no idea of what when I the book printer does not double as a money printer yeah we're not rolling it over it doesn't work like that yeah I did love uh the seeing anti-foot gloting simultaneously or not gloting claiming simultaneously that we are exploiting all of our you know workers and contractors for unreasonable amounts of gain also like right on the edge of bankruptcy because of like you know it like very depleted like at the same time these both of these things are truly we are extracting money that doesn't exist from a company that's failing you know at the expense of the company it's also there's also like another basic you know sort of small business 101 thing which is that when you're the owner of a business everybody else gets paid before you yeah that's how it works yes they'll get around it yeah um and I mean my yeah I mean and but that that's it's it's why it's important to do because because people need to get over this thing that like you're you're not going to convince your boss to to be a WN not until the financial system changes and that's not going to change until until there's real you know independence and a real footing for for self-conscious uh racially aware white people in this country and and that's not going to happen without a you know an economic base of support and and that's not going to happen without people that are willing to be professional business owners and uh you know and have and maintain these these kinds of enterprises and for that matter if you did convince your boss to become a white nationalist he would probably not set his bank account on fire and open up the doors of his business and tell the looters to come in and take everything right he would he would then try to leverage his business success in pursuit of those things that he values right and like that's that's what I think is the big joke about this they they act like they they act as though money um they act as though money is a is a is a is a delusion it is a it is a contamination of the thing when it is not bad at all you know if if people are doing things that are disreputable then then you know it's that's it's not unusual for people to do disreputable things for money of course it's not in any way you need to white nationalism or politics generally but you know the the question is the disreputable behavior that they act like the money is evidence of disreputable behavior and that is obviously not the case I don't know anybody who's getting rich at white nationalism all the people who I know who make any money at white nationalism are people who are infinitely more capable you know that that they could make infinitely more money if they went into some other line of work and they're choosing instead to devote their lives to that cause or whatever portion of their lives they are donate they they they are contributing to it right in in order to try to do that you know I've made a lot more money in other fields than I have that as at being a podcaster and I've worked better hours for fucking sure you know and and I do this thing because I because I value it highly enough to do it and so when people come around they're like it's a cryptary calls the is some low life piece of shit uh lied about me and said that I view that I view my listeners as pay piggies is the term they like to throw around you know and I'm like you know like if I wanted to go hustle people like like if I wanted if I wanted to steal money like I could go and steal money better than this right if I wanted to be a crook what the fuck what I what why would I do this you know I could I could steal so much more efficiently right I could talk fucking circles around people if I want to be a fucking con man believe me you know I go tell more pleasant lies than these for fuck's sake you know and like these people are out of their fucking minds and it's like they you know they're they're praying on a certain and you could almost make the case they're doing us a favor in a sense right because the only people who would fall for that nonsense or are people who are like you know they're not they're not the type of people who would really be you know positive contributors in any case right like you know they're they're praying on this sort of paranoid I believe the worst about everything which is what led me here in the first place they're like I have some you know paranoid need to explain everything evil in the world and and the Jews make a make a make a comfortable fit for that and therefore I'm going to join this thing and then oh well of course the Jews are everywhere and everything especially in white nationalism and so I'm just gonna call everybody a fucking Jew and a swindler and like well those people actually probably wouldn't have contributed anything at all would they they're not they're they're not they are of a certain mind where failure is the default everything is a scam everything is fake and and the idea that anything could be successful is preposterous to them so the idea that somebody's making money is like oh well there's obviously something to fairy is happening yeah yeah no I think you got it that's the failure is is failure is the end you know the only thing that they're here for yeah their their their their job is just to come up with the question mark question mark question mark prior to failure you know yeah there you go and this is sort of kind of personally just enjoys like you know they they thrive on just constant negative energy you know like they just they have to be fucking something they have to be making something worse for someone else it's because in frustration you know it's it's and people are drawn to this thing because I think that I said this to you but I think we did it before the show it started it's an observation I've made you know more than a couple of times on here that you know there's people who come into this thing understanding that okay these are actually like virtuous positive things that these guys are pursuing and they're being maligned and therefore I want to join this fight and then there's other people who see all the bad things that are said about us and they're like wow that's terrible I'm a terrible person I would love to get involved in something that awful you know and that's a real that's a real phenomenon that you know I I think it creates what privacy something I should join well you know I'm I would I'm going to I'm going to decline to say anything negative about those guys but I certainly don't I don't advise anybody to go cut their hand on a spear and go to Ukraine for fucking sure you know I would say that you know you know in my talk with Hammer I think that you know he came across as a sincere guy who's sincerely misguided personally is my opinion of it but you know you got to imagine that he's probably surrounded by some fucking crackpots right and so like you know one of the things that I realized was like I tried to do you know an edgy show right and I appreciated that in part because you know a lot of my artistic influence was like the opian Anthony show right and so I was like oh when I when I first got into this thing I was like oh well you know people will call me a racist but I don't fucking care because I like offending people was kind of you know part of my motives when I started getting in I didn't really understand the ideas when I first came in and then you know as I started you know appreciate them more fully like you know trying to portray them as offensive became less appealing to me frankly you know I was like no these are actually like positive virtuous things and you know we should probably try to portray them that way and you know that's a that's a little bit of a difficult thing for me to do because you know before I was doing this I was you know like I said inspire by opening Anthony I was you know doing stand-up comedy in New York for a little while and I was like telling fucking dick jokes and shit you know and so like you know trying to change that perception I mean I guess that sort of goes to one of the things that we mentioned in the email is you know trying to make it more approachable you know and I don't know exactly how to do that I've been trying to synthesize it and you know one of the things that I realized in the course of it is like well you know there's people who have tuned in for all this like edgy conflict you know and then you're like well you know we're gonna have to try to rebrand a little bit you end up with sort of like you know you end up with a revolt on your hands and people are like no I want to remain in conflict and and terror forever you know I'm like well you know there's that's you can you can obtain a certain amount from that you know that that like edgy persona where you're the you're the rebel bad guy and and maligned by everybody and you're in constant conflict will you know appeal to a certain segment of the population but of course this this eventually puts a hard upper limit on how much that you can accomplish and to escape that upper limit you know you have to you have to start appearing respectable to people at some point right I mean the big thing for me is just like okay I realized that that you know there's there's some fantastic people in this movement and there's also some like absolute like you know real peace yeah and and I'm like okay so maybe we should gear our like our approach to cult or not cult it to target the audience of the people who want to be the movement you know like like like let's make let's make a company and and a persona and a professional image that that that is geared towards the the the population of people we hope are here that we know that there are some of that we want there to be more of and I think that that's that's you know especially for media content creation that's you know that's that's kind of the the long and the short of it is is make content geared towards and speaking to the population of people we want to be you know pro in the pro white movement and that's an interesting take now you know you had mentioned sort of making inroads with the with the mauga crowd the mauga set as I like to call them sometimes what was at one point called the alt light and you know the now I do think that there's a certain convergence has happened as a consequence of the January 6th thing we're like you know they they some people I understand I wasn't you know on social media to to catch all the cultural references at the time but you know that that you know they were looking at it there there was a lot of overlap in the perceptions between January 6th and Charlottesville when when they started saying like look these people are totally maligning us about what happened and and the way they're coming after us is really not a regular this is not regular lawful order you know and it it seems to me that that event when these people started you know finding themselves thrown in prison and having all these legal consequences thrown at them sort of it didn't turn them into Nazis or whatever but they they started realizing that like oh the fact that the government goes puts a bunch of people in jail actually doesn't mean that they're the bad guys after all at the very least right yeah yeah yeah what do you think about I mean you know there was a lot of hostility and there still is in large part you know in the you know the explicit white nationalist versus people like say you know Mike Cernovich or Jordan Peters in you know it seems to me if you're trying to make inroads with the with the maga crowd that you know that these are people that you'd want to be on good terms with what how do you view that sort of spectrum well there I mean okay so I think that there are two sets of people there are people that that like you know who are genuinely I guess on the edge of you know holding these beliefs or maybe that they they do hold stronger beliefs and they actually have and then you have people like Ben Shapiro and and I have to include Jordan Peterson as well that the people that know better and they know that that their responsibility is to be a you know a a an impediment to people coming to similar views okay keeper you know to use the popular term and so I mean they're I mean Peterson like someone someone like him it's you know whether it's genuine or not and sometimes I'm truly baffled by some of the things that he says but like you can't you can't reach that person right like he's he has decided sort of where he sits on things and it's not even in a position where it can be complimentary to ours it is resolutely opposed and but that's not the case for a lot of these people yeah and and even if they themselves aren't like ever swayable like having a dialogue having an engagement whatever level is on this level whatever level to these people basically allow is in my opinion always the positive amount of exposure that they can produce you know is is valuable and I mean it's not always necessarily by name it's you know they don't need to be shilling the radical agenda on daily wire anything like that but you know but what if unless and if Candace Owens just wants to go call out Magnus Hirschfeld and you know and I'll put her a lot of fucking leeway and you got you know you get Charlie Kirk and Elon Musk for that matter like you know saying a lot of the stuff about you know mass immigration and white replacement you know it's easy to forget sometimes but it really is true that most of these people are just a few years behind them yeah that's the that's one of the things that I've realized and I mean like you know I'm not intimately familiar with all the things that Jordan Peterson has said like I read two of his books you know um uh twelve rules and then beyond order twelve more rules I read both of those or I listened to the audio books when I was in jail and you know I think that it what I know of Jordan Peterson has been largely positive one thing that stands out in my mind was he had this talk when I was still on house arrest down in Virginia and there was somebody who asked him about the the the Russian translation of 200 years together by soldier Nitsin and you know what that might you know the reflections that that has on the the issue of the Jewish question and he sort of like pace back and forth on the stage three or four times and then just turn around said I can't you know and so like to me that that tells me that he actually is aware of the subject I mean he's told us before that he's studied you know that he's studied authoritarianism in world work too so I mean it seems to me that he's got the intellectual curiosity to know um it seems that a reasonable it's my estimation that a reasonable person could know the things that we know and come to the conclusion that you know trying to take on you know racial anti-semitism is actually not a winning strategy and a person could in good faith reach that conclusion and try to negotiate that you know that political reality um you guys see that Jordan Peterson uh is specifically taking a a less reputable approach than that well so the I mean I'll I'm a little bit more maybe of a personal note to this because I I really like Jordan Peterson like when he first started coming on the scene I liked a lot of what he was saying and um uh you know and then then I mean he was in some ways he was actually an option for me into uh these two yeah so I you know I I feel personally frankly betrayed by him because if he could have known that one he had an audience he had a platform he could have made a name for himself independent of Ben Shapiro and yet he voluntarily chose to go work for that guy and and I don't know what calculation make that makes that math add up you know you know I think that um I guess working for Ben working for the daily wires conspicuous in the extreme I'll grant you that you know especially as you mentioned you know he had everything going for him that he didn't need to do it but you know you guys being involved in the business end of of this you know you think about a guy who just wants to be an intellectually doesn't want to deal with the business end of something right you know like like dealing with the the issues of payment processors and making sure that oh I got the platform from here what do I do now I mean I suppose he could have hired agents and you know done his own thing but you know the management the management overhead of trying to be an independent actor is actually not you know it's not insignificant right you know I wish that all I had to do was like prepare content for the show the show would be a lot better and I might produce it five days a week you know trying to run the business and deal with all the goddamn bullshit on top of it it's like you know and maybe he could have chosen a better outfit from the daily wire but I know that you know they there was a what what they offered fucking you know Steven crowd or 50 million fucking dollars whatever it was you know and you know and and and and he and he called that a fucking you know some kind of uh you know I don't think he used an anti-semitic reference pretty much as well you know yeah yeah so I don't know but you know as you mentioned you know Jordan Peterson was really influential on me like I was sort of like at the edge of like you know of libertarianism and and and explicit white nationalism and I was sort of like toying with you know racial themes on the show and I was really like I've told him at a story many times you know this interview that he did there's like two and a half hours long or so he's talking about like religion and stuff and you know I'm not a religious guy and this is not a religious thing for me but you know sort of the way he described ideas and and and how they evolve and this sort of thing he he basically gave an evolutionary explanation for you know religious thought I think is probably the best way that I can short briefly articulate it and it and it gave me a new appreciation for that and that made me feel like more connected you know to my people throughout time is probably the best way I can describe it in the moment and like that was hugely influential and so like when I see there's this element of white nationalism that is like if you're not naming the Jew you you are one you know and I'm like that's like you know as a guy who's fucking suffered tremendously for doing that I'm like I have to understand that there's more prudent people in the world than I who are like I'm not gonna go through that fucking shit your goddamn crazy like I can do so much better from a millionaire you know yeah I get it I get it but like you know when you're at the point where where you're financially obligated to chill for the state of Israel like like you know uh Mr. Shapiro has found himself or sorry Dr. Peters on himself uh doing most recently he got a wonder whether you made the right choice I you know like if you truly do understand those things or at any level like I don't know like there is I think there's you're referencing something that I'm only peripherally aware of that probably people who weren't in prison for the last three years have more consciousness of so like he is like he's gone and done things that are outwardly cucki it's not that he's just failing to name the Jew he's like oh you know our greatest ally nonsense he's probably embracing right yeah yeah he did the whole bit with the Yamakan and it's it's kind of sad you know um that's pretty yeah and he never did that before and then this is what it like like that's the thing who's never like like a big rara like Israel boomer before getting hired by you know paying I'm sure right I'm sure it's probably a hundred million dollars the contract you know and yeah maybe that's so often it's the blow maybe it makes it a little easier you know you get first class plane tickets but I still can't get done yeah uh but you know so I don't know um but I mean there are other people that like have that um like it's like seriously like Charlie Kirk I mean for as many goofy things as he's ever done and said like oh he's been he's been fired lately I've been pleasantly surprised by a lot of how he's been uh yeah like and and I don't really care whether he's doing his cynically or not because it doesn't matter because what it's representative of is two things one evidence that we have been successful or at the very least they have been unsuccessful in controlling the the white population and white uh consciousness in the west and two that that he feels pressured and they wouldn't be doing this if they if if that this wasn't at least a rear guard action to try and prevent people from like seeking out places that are going to give a line narrative and both of those are good things I would say so too you know it is it that's the other like silly attack avenue like attacking people for being like a Johnny come lately or something it's like well you know do you want them to come or not stupid fuck like you want to do you want to bring this people on board and you just want to remain you just want to be a fucking hipster and be like no I would cheer before you guys can't be white nice to us now because you were bleeding in Charlottesville with me and it's like no dude like you know the people who weren't bleeding with you in Charlottesville the people who you should be trying to fucking recruit because they're most of the population should at you know so like you know trying to get the the fact that we do see these things even if we see them in perfectly you know we mentioned Elon Musk sort of you know he he tweeted about Robert Rondo the other day you know he's talked about as you say replacement um you know but then you know they they managed to they managed to drag him to Israel and put the fucking hat on him too yeah you know what you got you know Tucker Carlson once said what I think was pretty insightful there's no such thing as FU money there's only FU poverty right you got that much fucking money floating around you've got you know you just spent 40 billion dollars to buy some failing fucking website called Twitter and and and and now you owe banks all this fucking money and then the Jews like you know um maybe you want to come uh stop by the homeland and maybe go uh say a prayer against this wall put this hat on why don't you you know and and he's like well he's yeah yeah he's a fashion statement it's not big deal you know it's not you know it's a new desperation with Jewish I guess he just got to you know inspired at some point we'll all make them wear fucking crucifixes through their fucking hands and feet in the meantime you know they're gonna put hats on a couple of people uh whoa that's that's a little edgy for this iteration of the radical agenda but um you know in the interim you know I'm inclined to grant people a lot of fucking leeway you know I'm so encouraged you know I think about what politics were like in 2012 right when Mitt Romney is the best that the fucking Republican party can do right and like written and and Ron Paul is is the Ron Paul is the aspirational goal right you know and so like you know then we get to the point where you know I was skeptical of Donald Trump in 2016 I'm like well you know you're you're not talking about free market economics or enough you know I mean mentioned Ludwig von Meises you know like you know I'm like well wait a second you know and then like totally turned the fucking between that and the shit that was going on in Europe at the time like totally red-pelled beat to the immigration thing and sent me down this fucking rabbit hole right and so like you know if people people don't usually come in this because somebody dropped the copy of mine conf on their fucking desk right it's like you know there's some chain of events that leads to it and whoever you know is along that path like I consider them you know you know generally not worthy and my enmity at the very least you know yeah yeah I think that's a good policy and and you know frankly I wish other people would sort of maybe take a cue and also kind of start being a little bit more charitable to you know maybe people like Charlie Kirk yeah I was listening to Charlie Kirk his show one episode I don't know how often he actually does this show but there was actually when I was in I was in the prison in Marion Illinois his show aired once a week on Saturdays and I was under the impression that it was like a replay like a best of or something and so like I listened to a few episodes of it and I wasn't expecting to like it I was like Charlie fucking Kirk what a fucking faggot and then like I listen to a couple episodes like I didn't know that this is what Charlie Kirk talked about on the radio and then I come to find out more recently that like he hired the guy who got fuck who got fired from Tucker Carlson I'm like oh yeah yeah like a fire duck crossing for saying the N word on on four chance uh yeah it was I know it was online post I don't know if it was four chance or not but that would make sense he was basically like they I remember the news coverage when I was in when I was I was still in the county jail when that that story broke and it was basically like you know one of his writers got fired for you know racist and misogynist online post and uh yeah and then he went on to go work for Charlie fucking Kirk of all people I was like that's fucking hilarious you know and I'm gonna make a lot more sense yeah yeah you know the daily beast was if they wrote I went over on the show the daily beast wrote a piece about how Charlie Kirk was about to go and attack Martin Luther King you know and it was so fucking funny that they're they're like it's because of that blank niff guy who used to work at Tucker Carlson turning Charlie Kirk into a Nazi and I was like oh well you know and and you think about you know Tucker Carlson you know Tucker Carlson's I think had a bigger influence on our politics than Donald fucking Trump did right he he gets his show basically as a consequence of Donald Trump right and then like he completely transforms our politics and then a guy gets fired from there goes works for Charlie Kirk and so like you know this these are these chains of events that bring us to this point we're like you know that that people are you know they're not wrong around fucking throwing fucking Romans for God damn sure but they've fucking had it with what's going on you know and that you know in my view is a lot better than we could have fucking asked for in 2014 much less 2000 fucking 16 and so like the whole fucking thing has completely changed you know we were when when you know one of the things that sold me on you know this was like you know the T.R.S. guys talked about the over chin window and and you know you know sort of like I took a position in the early stages of you know the radical agenda of like okay well maybe I'll stake out positions that are maybe more extreme than I ultimately want to try to like you know like move the move the range of allowable opinion was sort of like a strategy that I embrace for a period of time and like you know trying to change the window of allowable discussion well the stuff that like is talked about on like fucking fox and friends for Christ say forget about Tucker Carlson you know like you know fox and friends talks about shit that you couldn't imagine you know rush limbaugh talking about in 2012 so like you know it's I think that things are actually like really good when I see people all blackpilled about what's going on and everything's fucking hope but some like guys are fucking crazy you know it's it's like I think that we're in a better position than we probably bit in the last you know it named your number of decades and so I'm I'm hopeful for the future I mean I think that obviously we've got you know we we face dire fucking circumstances we've got dangerous enemies and you know they're very determined and capable people with endless amounts of resources at their disposal but when we watch them fuck up the way that they do and we watch the way that our ideas have been taking hold it's it's encouraging and to see antelope hill out there putting these things you know and on the physical pages where Google can't delete them quite so easily I think is a great thing and so I really appreciate you guys taking the time tonight to be on the radical agenda I've really enjoyed the conversation and I'm honored to know that um that that I played some partner inspiration for for going down here I appreciate that tremendously and I'm it's an honor to to have been able to speak with you guys I'll let you guys whatever else you want to plug let's let's do that sure yeah well first of all thanks so much for having us it was it was the likewise it was a pleasure on our end as well um one one major thing to to plug is the writing contest we have an annual writing contest and any any listeners that you know fancy themselves pendants can can head on over the website and check out the the prompt this year is uh thinking about Rome uh so you know it's you know you take take that and interpret it as as typical with our writing contests basically however you want um and uh for those who might not immediately get it it's it's the the whole um tick-tock thing oh yeah of the girls asking their boyfriend's how often they think about the Roman Empire yeah sort of the inspiration for this um I saw something going on I'm not on tick-tock but I I I saw this like trending on Twitter that people were you the left is panicking about this that people were thinking about the Roman Empire they're like oh I should probably see it's it's one of those things that just like it's like it feels ridiculous to even explain uh the yeah but uh yeah so so that's that's uh you know is one of our favorite things that we do every is the writing contest you know we get to we have a lot of fun judging the entries and there's always some really good ones usually a couple of pretty funny ones and you know people have a good time with it so with what frequency do you do these writing contest would you say every year? Okay so we have we have three uh right now three books uh you know for 21 two and three and this others will be 2024 um uh yeah so we have a theme every year and we compile the best of of all the submissions that we get and uh print a physical uh copy um that's available uh just like all the rest of our books excellent all right well um Antelope Hill publishing dot com is it is that is that accurate I don't have the page up in front of me I believe you're correct uh let me just I'll just make absolutely certain of that real quick um you know it auto completes come on definitely like what's the truth you know if you search for Antelope Hill publishing you're not gonna end up you know you'll you'll you'll see them you'll see the SPLC article on the first page global but you'll also find the website and you know there's always you know great comedic reading coming from uh my cadence over there so you might you might get a kick out of it um and so uh gentlemen uh Kurt Cdell and Paul Gualtiere I'm sorry you didn't correct my pronunciation I say it right it's fun it's it's the guy from pretty close it's the guy from the sopranos the per and Paul thank you very much for coming on the show today I really appreciated it um I'm going to uh hang up on you somewhat unceremoniously while I wrap up with the audience but I'll talk to you guys offline I appreciate okay all right thank you so much have a good evening all right thank take care guys and so ladies and gentlemen real quick don't hang don't go yet I'm not actually done yet well you know we've been talking to these guys who are publishers and I mentioned at the end of uh surreal politics last week that uh I was gonna do this again because I know that not everybody who listens to surreal politics listens to the radical agenda and so hopefully you've stuck with us to the end because I really want to share this with you um I mentioned that I'm working on this other book about my uh congressional race and I wrote the dedication to that book to my parents and I have um I recorded this and I sent it over to them and I have created a shortened version of that um the um a shortened version of that recording to play on the show I'm going to play that for you and then I have some commentary on it when when we return I'll be right back hey my dad it's your son Chris hope things are going well hope you're having a good time in Florida I'm writing a book about my congressional campaign in 2010 and so one of the things that I've got to do is obviously get a dedicate to book to somebody and I have decided to dedicate this book to the two of you all of which is to say that I have written this dedication today and I think it came out very well and rather than just send you the text and tell you what it is I thought maybe I'll read it aloud to you so here we go dedication some of my earliest memories are decidedly unhappy ones despite this they constitute the greatest gifts given to me by my parents in the long history of extraordinary generosity they have shown me my father participated in the Pat Co Union Strike of 1981 the professional air traffic controllers organization less than one year after my birth he had lost the job and the income that sustained our family in the upper middle class suburban neighborhood where I grew up on Long Island despite this hardship there is no real debate about what to do and my mother found out she was pregnant with my younger brother she'd doodifully and joyfully brought him into the world in the midst of all this uncertainty my father referred to him with all affection as a strike since he was conceived during the abundance of spare time my father had on his hands subsequent to that labor action not long after this he crashes motorcycle he broke his hip and for time was bedridden relying primarily on my mother to care for him to this very day even after numerous surgeries he hasn't walked quite the same ever since as a consequence of this chain of events my father would be very short on spare time in the following years my parents had purchased their home in the neighborhood they had with the expectation of a prosperous and reliable career in government service now deprived of that security and determined to make sure my brother and I had the benefit of our mother at home to raise us my father worked a number of different jobs at all hours he also went back to school since the intense training to become an air traffic controller to not directly translate to other high paying professions among the jobs he took was mowing other people's lungs this began as just him with a lawnmower in the back of his mercury caprid despite his injury he grew this into a respected and profitable company one complete with a crew large truck and professional equipment that was my first work experience in my youth improved priceless in my adulthood it would sustain my family until Bill Clinton signed into law a bill that would allow my father and his fellow strikers to reapply for their jobs when I was in my late teens my father is since proudly and honorably retired from that career which he loved and he today resides with my mother and our childhood home my father was relentless in providing for my family he did this under very difficult circumstances the pressure of this weighed on him and he made more than a few errors despite his value and efforts my family had less money than a lot of the kids I went to school what I did not get along very well with most of them I made more than a few errors of my own some of which not entirely unlike those of my father put me on the wrong side of the law more than once but today I am happy to know that I'm man to be worthy of that noble title must do what he believes to be the right thing that he must do so certain only of his own capacity for error that if he is made to suffer for those choices he must do so with his little complaining as he can manage also that a woman to be worthy of that far higher distinction must stick with him in the midst of an uncertain future even when things do not look promising though she is permitted and arguably obligated to lodge more in the way of complaints without which men might stagnate and fail to reach their full potential they never exactly told me these things and since I was not in the habit of listening it likely would not have done much good if they had rather these things were demonstrated with the most remarkable consistency over the course of my entire life this was simply the fabric of the world that I lived in and I could no more deny it than that water was wet were it not for that firm foundation the troubleside face over the years in my attempts to learn everything the hard way would surely have destroyed me or worse yet and perhaps more likely I'd have been too much of a coward to face them in which case this story would never have happened much less become a book and so obviously I dedicate would you are about to read to Mary and Charles Cantwell would gratitude for my creation for their forgiveness of far too many of my sins and debts and above all for not turning me into a pussy rest of her Cantwell February 23rd 2024 and so I hope I hope that reached you well it's written with the utmost sincerity and I am I'm very grateful for all that you've done for me thank you and so you know there's a number of reasons I wanted to play that for you and not just to compliment my parents you know that situation that I just drive in 1981 when I'm literally a you know less than a year old you know my parents moved into this you know pretty well to do neighborhood and then my father goes on strike and the situation was such that when they went on strike it would it would have been illegal for Ronald Reagan to fire them okay and they changed the law to facilitate the firing my father's union was under the impression that all the other transportation unions in the country were going to join them in the strike and the other transportation unions did not do it and the Pat Co Union went on strike anyway now I don't actually have such a high opinion of public sector unions today and I you know I actually am not so certain that what my father actually did was the right thing however that's what he believed was the right thing and he did it and you know he suffered for it and my family suffered for he did not give up you know he went and put a lawnmower in the back of his two-door coupe and started mowing other people's lawns and though he broke his hip in a motorcycle accident he continued to do that and he saved money and he built the business and he worked other jobs and he worked his fucking ass off you know to the point where like I didn't see my father a lot when I was a kid and he built that thing up and eventually you know was able to go back to the career that he loved you know many years later and you might say that you know today it's more difficult that I'm in no position to dispute that clearly I'm not you know on a rapid upward trajectory myself I get it but you know the world is full of these stories where you know people are facing the most dire circumstances and they persevere and they try really hard and only by that method is anything accomplished and so like I don't begrudge anybody for you know having negative opinions about what's going on I don't begrudge anybody for having concerns about the future but there's only one way to overcome those things and that's why I really like of all the things that I hold in contempt it's the hopeless attitudes that I see pervaded and the and the and the idle complaining that people do you know one of the things that I really appreciate about my father you know he's he's not had the easiest fucking life for sure and there's a part of my you know if you've been listening to the show for a long time you've heard me tell almost the exact same story in very different ways you know that are that shine less favorably on my family but you know I sort of came to appreciate that you know that he has this you know sort of stoic masculine virtue that like he does not he thinks it's disreputable for him to fucking wine right and that's what he did like he faced all this you know hardship as a consequence of doing what he thought to be the right thing he was not going to leave his union brothers behind or whatever he was not going to be a scab he was not going to you know do something that he thought to be that disreputable and you know when that happened you know all that he could do was take care of his family you know he insisted that my mother was going to stay home and raise his children he was not going to to kill his unborn child you know um not that he had to insist that to my mother clearly I'm just you know that was not something that was a serious you know consideration of my household even though they were faced with this situation and so like you know they're they're facing this tremendous uncertainty and they're like well you know we're a family we're just going to do it and you and you today face a prospect that's not entirely just similar you know that that you have a country you have an extended racial family you have a movement you have friends you have things that you care about and like the only way that you can preserve them is to do the unpleasant things and to move forward and to do things there are times tedious and unpleasant and that's the only way that anything gets accomplished and so like if at times you know things look dark believe me I fucking know but if you want them to get better try just keep on trying because you actually don't have a meaningful alternative to that you know um I composed a letter to somebody else recently who is really in a pretty bad spot and like like their life just kept on getting worse because they they thought it was too difficult and they'd like give up and drink you know and now they're basically in a fucking facility you know and what I said to them is like look you you actually don't have a better choice than to then to deal with your unhappiness and move forward right it's you don't you don't get to just give up there is no giving up you can either work towards a better future or you can work towards a more miserable future those are those are actually the two options that you have you can you're going to do these like unpleasant things the question is whether the unpleasant and tedious and you know in glorious things that you do are going to result in the better future or not and well shit if you think about it that way that you know doing those tedious and glorious and you know sometimes unhappy things makes a lot more fucking sense because if you're going to do those things and then have a better future or you're going to suffer and be miserable for your failure to do them well you know this is actually not as difficult a decision as some people would make it out to be is it you know and so whatever it is that you got going on whatever your concerns about the broader political situation you know the only thing that you can do that has any hope of making things better is trying to make them better if you're blackpilling and you're saying you know all hope is lost let's just you know make things as bad as possible because somehow some fucking maniac convinced me that that's the path forward well you know I'm sure as fuck glad my father didn't do that with my family for Christ sake you know I'm glad to have like I you know I mentioned in that thing that like I didn't get along with the kids I went to school with I look at them like a bunch of spoiled fucking brats and I'm really glad I'm not one of them frankly you know and in that in that audio at you know what I say is for not turning me into a pussy I think when I actually publish it might say something like one of the spoiled liberal brats that I hold in fucking contempt or something that effect might be the final publication you know you know well that's what I mean you know if you are if you are not met with challenges in your fucking life you know in the in the piece I titled unknown soldier I said you know we've all seen people who don't know what it's like to suffer they find themselves screaming like lunatics in the street claiming that they are the most oppressed people in our society we tend to mock them for this but there's some truth to it they've been deprived in a sense of what it means to be alive to be to be to be human to be alive even to pride with the opportunity to struggle they they are weakened and sensing this they seek out struggle they aim to see us return to a sort of Hobbesian state of nature read in tooth and claw more than an ideology perhaps they seek to see themselves deprived of the comforts which have rendered them unfit for the denurenean contest of life and we're not for the impact on our families we might hope they got their wish you know when people are talking about open up the fucking borders and and have immigration completely destroy the competent country have gas prices skyrocket out of control in the fucking dollar collapse that's what they're talking about you know and if your vision of the future is that dark that that looks hopeful to you work on that shit okay because that one and have worked for my father in 1981 and it's not going to work for you in 2024 you can either work towards a better future or you could work towards a fucking worse one you're not going to do both okay and so that's all the top of my head it's not a prepared statement might sincere view of it and all the shit that we're facing you know it's it's believe me I'm in no I'm not so comfortable that you know it looks like an inconsequential thing but uh you know you go do some time in prison and and you're gonna you're gonna very fucking quickly figure out that there's no such thing as like you know you don't you don't get to just write it off there's nothing that you can all you can do is do the fucking time you know and the rest of your life is not so different from that there's no escaping you know the challenges that you have in front of you you can either face those challenges and overcome them and build a better future or you can not rise to the challenge and watch things get worse and worse and worse and worse every day and in politics it's like it's it's substantially more difficult right because you have infinite numbers of variables that you can't control and that can look fucking helpless at times but you know I if you watch the omega thing where I've talked to that 16 year old girl you know she she's like now we have no obligation to you know our country or future whatever and then she complains that the fucking whole thing's going out of control and downhill and that's the justification that she has for not feeling any obligation well these things are not disconnected from one another if if nobody feels like to have any fucking obligation if nobody's trying to make the society better if nobody believes that they have any obligation to their countrymen what do you think the result of that is it's exactly the situation that you're complaining about so like you know the only reasonable thing for you to do in that scenario is to you know I hate to use the cliche be the change you want to see in the world right you know that's the thing we're doing and I like the antelope hill publishing guys because that's you know that's largely what they did right you know they they were like a you know people were being censored what should we do we should start a publishing company well there you fucking go you know there you go whatever it is you know that you know you have going for you I imagine that if you're if you're listening to the show you know you're not somebody who's just like blown around by the winds of society if you're listening to me you know there's a certain amount of determination that's actually required to do that you know so you're not an incapable person I know that much about you by the fact that you can fucking hear my voice right now so don't ever feel like you're fucking helpless because you're definitely not so thank you very much for listening this evening for watching I should go read I have at least one super chat I gotta get to the open road sends five dollars now we can watch and listen to Hitler's speeches in English in his own voice watch studiously that's a that's an interesting point um yeah sailing gales as um but Chris Larkin rose said the border is just a line on the ground yeah yeah and and Larkin rose does not you know appear the picture of fucking happiness either does he all right um and so uh yeah so thanks for thank you very much for listening thank you very much for watching um thank you for tolerating my technical difficulties at the beginning there um I am infinitely grateful to those of you for just for your attention and all the more for those of you who make it 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got some updates on the on the charlotte'sville cases as well so really looking forward to Monday uh ladies and gentlemen fuck you pay me have a good weekend thank you very much good night that's it it's over then we organized the death squads for the people who wrecked America you know what do you call people you can't call to enemies and if we want to divide our society into arms camps of enmity all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing a radical edge of the event has turned into an opportunity to the left to push a racial and radical agenda implementing their radical agenda is the only thing they care about their bad what they want to do here is ram their radical agenda down your throat this is great Americans he's the people that want to see great things for the country you know they try and build a light care one of a radical agenda it's not a radical agenda let's go the second amendment