And then once the local recording is in fact begun, then we play the music. That's it, it's over then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America. You know what you call people you can't call food? Enemies. And if we want to divide our society into arms, camps, and enmity, all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing. A radical edge of the event has turned into an opportunity to the left to push a racial and radical agenda. Implementing their radical agenda is the only thing they tell about their bad actions. What they want to do here is ram their radical agenda down your throat. This is great Americans, these are people that want to see great things that they've got to do. You know they try and build a blanket. One of the radical agenda, it's not a radical agenda, it's gold. The second to men parry it on, would it welcome to the radical agenda? To show about time with the ideas and news at a day and whatever's on your mind at 217688, 1, 4, 3, 3, yes, this agenda is quite radical and welcome to it. This 45th episode of the Sixth Stage of the Program today is December 8, 2023 is the current year. It's a Friday as usual. We are coming alive once again from my undisclosed location where ladies and gentlemen, fine members of the agenda, binary as I'm fond of saying. That's all of you, by the way. You guys know that some people haven't figured that out yet. I woke up this morning, quite satisfied with myself and my entire honest with you. I had written what was to be today's opening monologue of more than 4,000 words very early yesterday morning. You might say the night before as it were. I was quite impressed with what I had produced, especially given that the prior morning, I had penned another 4,000 words or so that was so good. I had to print it out, put a stamp on it and mail it to my parents. Is that good? I can't wait to share it with you. I'm going to have to, but you know, it's very difficult for me to endure the weight is what I mean to say. So this morning I didn't have any of my normal, you know, show day routines of scrambling to come up with something to talk about for you. No revolving, no drudger port, no seeking inspiration. I had my monologue, I could pull up news fodder anytime before 930 and so long as I had that fire opening monologue prepared, I had no time pressures for so far show prep. So I took it easy, say for like some abdominal exercises I was doing and instead of sitting in my chair between those sets, I took to my bed and I fine tuned a few things on a laptop I've been meaning to get to. I banged out 3,000 words about gaming and game streaming, fired off a couple emails. And then I get a text message and as soon as I see who it's from, I know that my day has taken a turn for the worse. It's Jason Kessler. Since I have been released from prison, those of you who've been paying attention, you know this. I have made a very sincere effort to put strict limits on the amount of conflict that I engage in, particularly among other dissident right personalities, even when the other party is wrong, even when I might do some good by raising it alarm, even when I despise the person. I am hyper conscious of efforts by those who have none of our interested heart to turn us against one another. This of course to see the most possible damage inflicted upon our movement with the least risk and effort accrued to them. I think I could safely say that the only people I have made exceptions to this rule for are Andrew Anglin, Weave, Nick Fuentes and Jason Kessler. Of these, it might be said that Jason Kessler warrants the most negative attention. He is by no means the most malicious of these examples and certainly not the most capable, indeed what makes Jason dangerous is precisely the fact that he comes across as a socially awkward fool, whose many disasters might be summed up to the errors of a bumbling idiot. This allows him to get second, third, fourth and fifth chances from people who wrongly assume that he has the best of intentions and otherwise would not tolerate the malice that he demonstrates on a routine basis. This allows him to inflict the maximum possible damage on those who are so unfortunate as to come into contact with him and universally without fail. All those who come into contact with Jason Kessler come out worse for the experience. It is because of this that I have taken this extraordinary step of devoting an entire opening model to warning you about one otherwise wholly insignificant man and delayed by at least one week the release of something truly wonderful, which I am very proud of and very much anxious to share. The one need not be a regular radical agenda listener to know the name Jason Kessler and those who follow the show know the name all too well. It is still yet prudent that we begin at the time that most people would have heard that name first. This being in the lead up to the United Rydrally in Charlottesville, Virginia of August of 2017. This was when I first heard of Jason. If Menemory serves, he was introduced to me by Augustus Invictus, though I hold my lawyer friend blameless for this. Jason was something of a figurehead for the United Rydrally, but the organization had appropriately been yanked from his hands well prior to the event. He was not capable of managing something of that caliber and the people around him understood this all too well. When one spends a few minutes talking to Jason, this becomes painfully evident. He does not particularly care to understand the subjects he discusses. As a notable example, he posted to telegram on September 8 of 2023 that he was quote, belatedly trying to understand a lot of history related to Jewish power in the 21st century. To do this, six years subsequent to the United Rydrally seems belated indeed. That never stopped Jason from talking about this subject prior to doing the research, of course, he would simply parrot those things he heard from others as a means to mimic a pattern of speech and try to fit in with a crowd. He does this with everything in his life, mimicking the behavior of people he sees in an effort to obtain the results he desires. To the extent that there is any innovation involved, it is too competent, it is too attempt to combine patterns of behavior that he observes in others. He often lacks any understanding of what are you saying in doing. He is only acting out the behavior that he observes. This sometimes causes Jason to take tremendous risks and to the uninformed observer. This can make Jason appear to be a very brave man. There was a time when I admired his courage until I realized that Jason is psychologically incapable of making accurate threat assessments. He would simply walk into crowds of violent antifa criminals and say the things most likely to anger them. To observe this, you might at first think it is a very masculine thing to do, but one day I observed his behavior in a way that shed new light on the matter. As Jason was on video, having a verbal altercation with these criminals, his phone was violently knocked from his hand by one of his assailants. He took his eyes off of the threat to grab the phone off the ground without any hesitation and made no effort to track the people around him as he did this. With his phone back in his hand, he continued to argue as if no danger existed. Men got behind him while he argued with women and he paid the men no mind. It then occurred to me that Jason was not knowingly facing down danger, but that Jason had no idea that he was in danger. Understanding this phenomenon brings great clarity to all that Jason does. It is often said that he is on the spectrum and while I am in no position to make a specific diagnosis, it is very clear that Jason does very poorly with social cues as a general matter and it is congenitally incapable of improving upon this deficiency. Any observation of Jason's social media will reveal that he is profoundly discontent with all of his relationships, all of them. He invariably blames these problems on others. In the six years that I have known him, not once have I ever seen him take the blame for anything ever except with the notable exception of taking the blame for associating himself with the people whom he blames. It does not seem to occur to him at all that he is the only constant feature in a very diverse and very lengthy history of catastrophic failures. It is not as a consequence of today's unpleasant exchange that I mentioned this. I said this all the way back on June 28, 2018 in a blog post titled Follow Jason Kessler at Your Peral. Jason was at this time trying to organize a second Uditha Wright rally. At first I was supportive of this effort because I despised the cowardice of those who said that we needed to get off the streets just because criminals were attacking us when we showed up. Violent opposition is a predictable phase on the path to power and men who lack the stomach to brave it are unfit to govern. But it was during this time that I observed Jason's incident with the phone and though I had quite enough on my plate, it was a common enough occurrence at that time for people to come to me for guidance about what to do as other movement leaders proved incapable ofwithstanding the pressures brought to bear against us in the wake of the rally. Some of the best people this movement has ever seen are names that you will never know and those people devoted themselves to helping Jason Kessler pull off this second event. His incapacity for self-reflection and his wholly unwarranted arrogance make a volatile concoction when mixed with his quick temper. Those hardworking, intelligent and capable people sought nothing in return for their diligent efforts, not money, not recognition, only the satisfaction of service to a worthwhile cause. We are unfortunate not to be able to tell you their names and put their faces on posters because they genuinely represent the best that any political movement can ask for in an adherent. Those excellent people could not put up with his ineptitude and abusive subordinates. They came to me asking what to do and though I at first asked that they endure, it eventually came to pass that I could no longer ask this of them while remaining of clear conscience. Though others had done so many times prior, it was at this point I felt compelled to issue my first public warning about Jason Kessler on June 28th of 2018. And in that blog post titled Follow Kessler at your peril, which is currently paywall content at ChristopherCantwell.net, which you can access if you have a surrealpolitics.com member account. I said among other things this. Speak privately with any other organizer of UTR1 and they will tell you that working with Jason Kessler is a nightmare. I will talk to Jason and he will say the same of them. I see no reason to settle the dispute. It would seem all parties are equally correct. I relied on them and look at what happened to me. Since my release, Jason has repeatedly called me voicing frustration with movement figures and those who have attempted to help him in organizing UTR2. I'll not name names, but suffice it to say that at least two of the most dedicated behind the scenes people have bailed on Jason in utter despair at his handling of matters. The importance of the work that these people have done cannot be overstated. I might still be in jail without them. So thin has become the manpower of Jason's disposal. He has someone who I will simply say is not a white male handling some upper management position. When it is mentioned to Jason that this indicates a problem for his white nationalist demonstration, he goes into a fit about not being a racist. Still, any of this might be overcome, save for the only deal breaker which I will now finally communicate. Jason is incapable of processing constructive criticism. Any effort to point out any flaw in anything he does is received as an attack and he instantly becomes irrationally defensive. Anyone reading this who has any leadership experience whatsoever immediately recognizes this as a catastrophic flaw in someone who should not seek to manage anything so perilous as a bake sale. But this is no bake sale. This is an attempt to repeat a controversial political demonstration which is vehemently opposed by a corrupt government and violent criminals, the first incarnation of which already erupted into lethal violence, unprecedented media hysteria, and previously unimaginable abuses of our legal system. We need men who are brave enough to continue on in the face of just such adversity. I applaud the courage of all those who are willing to do so and in time we will find a righteous application for your valor. However, my conscience compels me to warn you that if you follow Jason Kessler into this mess in just a few short weeks, I fear your virtues may be wasted on the most predictable failure of the century. The thought that men would put their lives in danger to follow this man was just too much for me. If Jason cannot handle hardworking volunteers who do the tedious and inglorious things, he could certainly not be trusted to leave, lead brave men to danger. The UTR event occurred, sorta. A handful of people got together in Washington, D.C., many miles from Charlottesville where he planned to hold it. Instead of being framed by the media as a menace to society, it was mocked as pitiful and this was by no means just one of their many deceptions. The one could occupy volumes discussing Jason's many errors in malicious acts, time constraints forced us to fast forward. At the civil trial that bore his name, signs V Kessler in the Western District of Virginia before Judge Moon, Jason promptly threw his co-defendants under the bus, deriving precisely zero benefit from these shameful displays and having precisely zero reason to believe that any benefit stood to be gained. Jason's own words were the most damning of any uttered at that trial. Trying to blame the event on others was a preposterous strategy only by demonstrating that no conspiracy existed, would we have stood any chance of victory and men who are trying to blame things on other people are thereby implying that there is guilt to be found somewhere. I don't know how much of this I'm actually going to bother to read aloud, but he just gets worse and worse and worse. I spent much of the afternoon copying and pasting and editing from the trial transcripts where Jason was questioned by the plaintiffs' counsel in signs V Kessler trial. I wish I had audio of this. Question. So in the post, Mr. Kessler, you begin by saying at everyone so you direct your post to every single person in the hashtag Alt-Rite Events Project server. Do you see that? Now this is you're talking about discord here. Yes, ma'am. Quote, bring in the Alt-Rite proud boy, stickman, Domingo Spencer, and fight this shit out. You see that? Yes, ma'am. All right, and Nathan Domingo, the jury has heard, has become nationally known for this time for punching a counter-protester that you refer to as multi-locks. Answer. I don't know what he has or hasn't done. He did punch a woman that was referred to as multi-locks. Yes. And stickman is Kyle Chapman, who had also become known for striking a counter-protester with a let it stick, you know that, right? Answer. Yes, he got into some fights in Berkeley. Question. And he's called stickman because he hits him with a let it stick, right? You know that, right? Answer. Yes. Question. And you say that we should bring them in and fight this shit out. You see that? Answer. Yes, ma'am. Question. And you go on to say the Antifa are totally disrespecting us in the media is playing the mayor's fiddle, just like in Berkeley. The city council is directly tied to Antifa. I think we need to have a publicized event this time. They bring everything they've got and we do too. You see that, right? Yes, ma'am. And when you say they bring everything they've got, you're referring to Antifa, correct? Answer. Yes. The violent left wing extremists question. And you wanted Antifa to bring everything that they've got. You see that, right? That's what you're saying. Yes, they do that always. Question. And you're saying that's your idea. They bring everything they've got. And you say we do too. And we do too refers to the alt-right, correct? Answer. Yes. To the permitted demonstration, we will defend ourselves. He is interrupted. Thank you, Mr. Kessler. Your council will have the court intervenes here. The answer, you answered the question. Go ahead. Question. And you wanted the event to be publicized in all caps you write that. You see that? Answer. Yes, ma'am. And so you would also agree would you not that if there was fighting in the streets, you would create more publicity? Answer. It would probably yeah. Question. All right, let's show Mr. Kessler plaintiffs exhibit 551. So Mr. Kessler, you'll realize this is a, you'll recognize this as a discord post from May 20th the day before your previous post. The post that we just saw. Do you see that? Yes. Question. All right. And I assume you agree that you went by mad dimension on discord. Answer. Right. Question. Sometimes you also went by Zibo, right? Answer. Yes, ma'am. Question. So in this post, which is the day before you propose an event where we fight the shit out, you wrote quote, the alt-right is a dangerous movement. It feeds on the chaos energy of our unchecked racism, bans, but in real life activism, that's real life. You have to be more like a civil rights movement for whites. It's difficult to say that you could contain that magic, I'm sorry, manic energy. And maintain the enthusiasm, you say quote, I'm not really sure, but I wonder about it. I would go to the ends of the earth to secure a future for my people with or without the funny bans. This is war. And quote, do you see that you said that? Answer. Yes, ma'am. Question. And bans refers to banter or joking, right? Answer exactly. It's like lulls. Yes. And you didn't need jokes, Mr. Kessler. You didn't need the bans because this was serious to you. Correct. Answer. I don't, I'm not really clear on what you mean. Question. What I mean is you said I would go to the ends of the earth to secure a future for my people with or without the funny bans. Answer. Well, what I'm saying is the alt-right has a lot of edgy humor online and I think it's counterproductive. That's why I was saying I think it's better for us to be a civil rights movement for whites. So I was discouraging doing the racist humor that they do online. I was saying we need to drop that and be serious. Question. Right. Exactly. You didn't need the bans for this. For you, this was war. That's what you said. Answer. That's what I said. Yeah. Question. And the day before your post about fighting to shit out, you say the alt-right is a dangerous movement. You see that you said that? Answer. Yes. All right. Mr. Spalding. Let's show Mr. Kessler, plaintiffs exhibit 1395. Please. So Mr. Kessler, you recall that initially you had a secret Facebook chat group called to plan Charlottesville 2.0. A answer. Secret. So by saying secret, you make it sound like people normally publicize their chats to everybody on the internet. I didn't have I did have a chat group. Question. Mr. Kessler, do you recognize this plaintiffs exhibit 1395 is a text message that you sent on June 5th to someone named Begdelaska? Answer. Yes. Miss Dunn. Okay. Move to admit 1395. Court. Be admitted. And Mr. Kessler, in this text of June 5th, 2017, you say, are you on Facebook? A lot of our planning is happening in a secret chat. Do you see that? Answer. Yes, ma'am. Question. And when you're talking about planning, you're talking about planning events for Charlottesville 2.0, correct? Answer. Probably so at this time period. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Spalding, can we show Mr. Kessler plaintiffs exhibit 1461 B, please. All right. Mr. Kessler, I'm sure you'll agree with me. You posted an incredible amount on social media answer. Yeah, way too much. And in Facebook, you went by the name Ambien Falcon, correct? At times yes. So you recognize you could see your name Ambien Falcon here and you're talking to a group of people. Do you see that? Yes. And just for the sake of the jury and all of us, the Facebook chats you have to read from the bottom up, whereas Discord posts your read from the top down. So in this chat, May 22nd at noon, you say, I just got off the phone with based stickman and he's on board. Do you see that? Yes. And then you say, communist deserve to be called. Do you see that? Yes. And then you say, there is no getting along. We have to fight for our future. Answer. Right. Question. Do you see that? Yes. Question. And at your deposition, you were asked whether stickman who we've identified as Kyle Chapman, who had struck somebody with a lead stick, whether he ultimately attended Unite to write and you said he did not. Correct. You remember that? Answer. Yes. That sounds accurate. Right. And you remember that you said he didn't want to share the stage with the less moderate people. Correct. Answer. Yes. And you were asked. The more extreme people want out as far as the tone of the rally. Correct. And your answer. Yes. Do you recall that? Answer. Can you repeat that? You were asked the question, Mr. Kessler, you gave this answer. And the more extreme people want out as far as the tone of the rally. Right. Answer. Yes. Answer. Okay. I trust you. If you said that, if I said that, I said it. And so based stickman, he had to hit someone with a lead stick. He is the more moderate in that statement. Answer. We're talking about ideologically as politics are much more like a Trump supporter. He's not like a white advocate or something. Question. But you say more moderate. You're talking about based stickman as opposed to the people who Mr. Kalinik objects and asked and answered. She finishes her sentence, ultimately attended. The court overruled the objection. I said when you talk about the more moderate, you're talking about based stickman as opposed to the people who ultimately attended. Answer. Yes. Based stickman's views. Yes. Question. So ultimately in addition to the secret Facebook chats, you had a discord server for Charlottesville 2.0. Correct. Yes. Question. We've talked about that a lot in this case. You were identified, Mr. Kessler, as the event coordinator and moderator for the Charlottesville 2.0 server. Correct. Answer. I was definitely an event coordinator and a moderator. Question. As the event coordinator, you knew you had the ability to manage the channels and the messages. Right. Yeah. There were some functions like that. Question. Right. And you knew that you had the ability to do that. Yes. And you knew you had the ability to remove her band members from the discord chats. Right. Correct. Any moderator did. Right. And so if we see somebody posting in the Charlottesville 2.0 discord server, that's someone you had the ability to ban, but you did not answer theoretically. Fair to say though, right. Yes. From June 7th to August 11th, you're on the Charlottesville 2.0 discord server every day. Right. Probably. Yeah. Well, not just probably Mr. Kessler actually. Right. That sounds that sounds right. Okay. Mr. Spalding, can we show the witness, uh, plaintiffs exhibit 34 58 please. Mr. Kessler, this is a post by you where you tell everybody on discord that unite the right would also be known as the Battle of Charlottesville. Do you see that? Yes. And publicly you did call it unite the right but on discord and privately you called it the Battle of Charlottesville. Answer. It looks like I called it both the here. Question, but you don't disagree that publicly you didn't make posters that said the Battle of Charlottesville, right. No, I didn't make posters like that. Mr. Spalding, can we show the witness exhibit 968 please. And you recognize this to be a post by you as well, right. Answer. Yes. You're out of move to show 968 to the jury. Admit it. And you called Charlottesville in discord the East Coast Berkeley, or correct. Yes. And we recall that you had initiated this conversation in the post we saw earlier where you said we need to have a battle of Berkeley situation in Charlottesville. Remember that. Yes. And you tell everybody on discord to assemble. Let's say every person you can. Do you see that answer. Yeah. It says assemble every motherfucker you can. All right, we could take that down, Mr. Spalding. Let's show the witness 1455. Actually, we could show it also show it to the jury. That's been previously admitted. This is the text exchange that the jury has already seen between Mr. Kessler, Mr. Spenser. It's a text exchange from June 5th of 2017. You tell Mr. Spenser that you're going to start promoting Charlottesville 2.0 unite the right the Battle of Charlottesville. Do you see that? Yes. And if you scroll down in this text chain, you say to him, we're raising an army for my leg for free speech, but the cracking of skulls if it comes to it, you see that, correct? Yes. All right, well, let's talk about the army. One of the first people that you reached out to is Matthew Heimbach, the chairman of the traditionalist worker party. Do you remember that? No, I don't remember if he was the first one, but I did reach out to him. Right, you reached out to him on May 22nd. The day after you told everybody on discord that you wanted to fight the shit out in Charlottesville. Does that ring a bell? If you say that's accurate, I have no reason not to believe you. Okay. Now breaking away from the transcript for a moment. Had I one whiff of this bullshit, I would not have attended that fucking event. I certainly would not have told any of you to go there. Jason was unambiguously looking for a fucking fight and not one in which he himself would shed his own blood, of course. You see plenty of videos of people fighting from that event. You do not see Jason putting his own body on the line in any of those brawls. The first time Jason gets hit is when he had the damn press conference after the event at which he had every expectation of being safe there because he was surrounded by the police. It is beyond bizarre to think that Kalenik would not have explained to Jason in advance of his deposition much less a trial that seeking to frame one's violence as self defense does not excuse him from actively seeking out a violent conflict. But in this exchange, Jason has basically confessed to the allegation of seeking a violent conflict. That phrase, the Battle of Charlottesville, was repeated ad noisium by the plaintiffs of trial, as was the comment about an East Coast Berkeley. Having this intent at an event in which you are inviting neo-Nazis and calling them dangerous, it's arguable he has confessed to everything but conspiracy here already. And skipping ahead just a bit, it only gets worse. Jason actively planned with other people to get Antifa to come to the event and very intentionally hoped plan for made certain that they would attack us. He talked about leaking information to them in the lead up to the event they actually did this repeatedly. He talked about telling people to conceal their firearms with the specific intent of not scaring Antifa away so that a fight wouldn't sue. He told people to bring weapons knowing that he was also planning to make certain that they were attacked on his permit application. He did not request street closers. He lied about the number of people he expected to attend and he told other people to lie. There's your fucking conspiracy. I'm very sorry to say. Continuing from the transcript. Now this is a Facebook chat from June of 2017 with somebody named Colton Merwin who was associated with the Maryland chapter of the proud boys. Mr. Merwin asks you and remember you have to read these from the bottom up. So Mr. Merwin asked you on June 28th question, what's the situation with Antifa? Are they coming and you respond? I don't know yet. I hope so. And then this is an anomaly on Facebook chat. Sometimes you can't tell who's saying it, but one of you says I'm ready to throw down. Was that you or Mr. Merwin do you recall answer I don't recall. Question and then you respond it's really up to the Antifa to respond and not be pussy. Do you see that you wrote that? Yes. Quote I would question quote I would suggest taunting them a little on social media. Do you see that? Yes. All right, Mr. Spalding we could take that down. Please show Mr. Castler 3560. These are Mr. Castler's posts. Mr. Castler these are your posts from July 14th. The Charlotte'sville 2.0 server general channel answer got it. If we could go to the page with the photo, thank you Mr. Spalding. All right, Mr. Castler your first post here ask quote anyone from New York can invite this guy to the rally and then you post to a photo with a label that says Antifa Manlet emo screamer Nicholas says me, man, Tifa to get them to play the event. Do you see that? Yes. Then you say I want to talk shit, but as the event organizer I can only do so much people need to bullieside them into confronting the all try to Charlottesville. Do you see that? Yes. Question and you did not feel that as the organizer you could bullieside Antifa correct? Yes. Well, I guess that's what I said. Is that what you said? Yes. Yes, and you would agree Mr. Castler that as the organizer of the event there were things you could not do. And instead other people would do them correct answer. I don't know it depends on the context question. I'm asking generally as the organizer of the event there were things that you did not do and instead you asked other people to do them. Answer I definitely delegated some tasks question right because there were things that you didn't want to do is the organizer correct answer. I definitely delegated some tasks. So Mr. Castler is the organizer of the event there were things that you like in the discord post you wanted to keep separate from yourself and you wanted other people to do them right answer. I would agree with your statement like in this discord post I was forcing around there. This was not a serious discussion question. How about generally generally yes. I did delegate some tasks that I didn't have time to do or whatever question or you didn't want to do you didn't think that you should do them as the organizer right answer. I was very busy. I was fighting a battle with the ACO you. At a certain point in the situation I had serious duties I was talking with the police. Okay. Mr. Spalding would you show Mr. Castler 1432 A please. Mr. Castler you recognize this as another Facebook conversation in the group RVA and to come that you are a part of yes. Let me look and make sure I'm trying to do this quickly. I'll just stipulate that I'm in there if you say so we can get moving. Mr. Spalding if we could show Mr. Castler the conversation that begins we need a new way to tip off Antifa do you see that. And there's a bit more of this but just remember that line. Okay. Jason Castler is in a Facebook conversation with a bunch of guys who call themselves RVA and to come. Talking to them about how they're going to tip off Antifa. There's been a lot of discussion. How did they get into the conversation. How did they get into the discord server. How did the unicorn get right to get the leaks. Why did Emily Gorsensky know what we were doing before we did. I don't know. Does it have anything to do with the guy who was talking about we need a new way to tip off Antifa. I have no way of being certain of that. But that sounds interesting to me I'd say. All right Mr. Castler in June 14th of 2017 you posted we need a new way to tip off Antifa when we want them to show up somewhere someone who can send photos and tips to their members either with a fake account or some apolitical normally who would normi who will do it on our behalf. And then Shane Good says quote I could probably get my girl to use her account to do it just let me know what to do and then you respond quote that would be cool we definitely want to play these people into our hands Saturday in Charlottesville. Do you see that yes ma'am and Saturday in Charlottesville is August 12th right answer I'm not sure about this because this was way back in June so I couldn't say about that. Question okay so it's possible you're trying to get Antifa to come to other events before Charlottesville 2.0 and you're talking about some other event here right answer it's possible my memory is not perfect on this issue this is really in the weeds. Question okay so you're going to deny that Saturday in Charlottesville is some other Saturday when you were planning some sort of event in Charlottesville Mr. Collinic objects. Mischaracterizes what he said he said his memory is not perfect on the issue he didn't say he was denying anything the court okay you can ask him a question and clear it up. Question thank you Mr. Kessler you're going to deny that Saturday in Charlottesville meant Saturday August 12th in Charlottesville as I said I don't remember let's show Mr. Kessler plaintiffs exhibit one oh three four you'll recognize this is a discord post in the announcements channel of Charlottesville 2.0 discord server right. Yes I do you're on a move to admit plaintiffs exhibit one oh three four court be admitted. So this is another message that you write to at everyone in the discord server and from June 7th of 2017 and it's under the heading regarding self defense do you see that yes ma'am. You write sticks and shields I recommend you to bring picket signpost shields and other self defense implements which can be turned from a free speech tool into a self defense weapon should things turn ugly quote end quote. You were referring here to picket signpost shields and other implements as self defense weapons right answer they could be put they could potentially be a things turned ugly that's the key phrase. Question that's what you say correct yes. Then under the topic open carry you say please do not open carry we want to avoid that optic boat for the media and antifa we ultimately don't want to scare them from laying hands on us. If they can't stand our peaceful demonstration you see that that's correct. Now real quick there's more this gets worse. So Jason's looking for an opportunity to tip off antifa okay he's telling guys to bring these weapons but he wants to make sure they don't look like weapons because he wants to make sure the fighting ensues you see okay. He wants to make sure that antifa is not afraid of picking a fight because he wants the fight to happen. Jason responds that's correct. Right because it's fair to say that you don't want to scare antifa away from laying hands on you in your group right answer man this is a common tactic that even Martin Luther King used was to put people out in front and be attacked your honor move to strike the court answer the question witness yes. Yes is your answer yes yes all right. Let's show Mr. Kessler plaintiffs exhibit 952. Question you'll recognize this is another exchange with you and other people from the general channel of the Charlottesville 2.0 discord server do you recognize that if you scroll down Mr. Spalding Mr. Kessler can see his name answer I see my name is there yes. So these posts are from the next day June 8th on the Charlottesville 2.0 discord server someone named St. Charles posts on June 8th of 2017 quote it's not even about optics if we want to see his name. So we want to see a chance to beat down antifa showing off guns so that's that's just a screaming so that it's just a screaming match isn't the way to do that if we want something decisive we shouldn't have something deterring them from attacking us you see that answer I see. And if you go down to page seven of this discord chat we can see your response you say I 100% agree with St. Charles if you want a chance to crack some antifa skulls in self defense do you want to see that. So don't open carry you will scare the shit out of them and they'll just stand off to the side do you see that answer I see that I said that yes. Let's look I have plenty of this exhibit 1461 see this is a Facebook chat involving you do you see that yes I do okay. Okay alright so you're here in this Facebook group chat with the group Charlottesville anti-com and again we're reading from the bottom up you read on you write I should say on July 7th 2017 to at CJ Ross can you guys can see carry I don't want to scare off antifa from throwing the first punch. Do you see that answer antifa throw the first punch yes I do see that you wrote that yes I do see that. You say we're going to have lots of armed military vets in attendance so we're not going to be lacking for firepower do you see that yes. And then CJ Ross responds about the concealed carry he says some people are fighting him on that they want to open carry do you see that yes. If that's the case quote she quotes from the post quote if that's the case perhaps we can get together with them and coordinate somewhere else to put them until anything breaks out do you see that yes. Do you see now I really you need to think about that one for a second. Okay guys I understand that you want to carry your guns openly to avoid the violence so what we need you to do is go hide over there so that we can get in this violent conflict and then you guys can bring your guns over there after that. Okay. That's a serious fucking problem. Answer yes. And when it says put them that's talking about the guns right answer this is another interrupts so I just want to make sure answer I don't know who this guy is I mean I talked to him but it's been a long time. Question okay but I understand that you spoke to people who sometimes you didn't know their identities I'm just asking in this post where he says some people want to open carry if that's the case perhaps we can get together with them and coordinate to put them somewhere until anything breaks out and I want to ask you whether to turn them is referring to the guns. Answer could be I can't I can only speculate as to what another individual intended. Okay well let's look at your next post you say the main thing is I just don't want a lot of big scary guns out there that will keep Antifa away I want them to start something do you see that Mr. Kessler yes question and you wrote I want them to start something that's what you wrote yes ma'am in July of 2017 yes. Question all right we talked a little bit before about Derek Davis you said that you acknowledge he was somebody you considered a friend and he was also the regional director of the traditionalist worker party and I just for the sake of the jury I'd like to put up exhibit to 2435 that's been admitted into evidence so that they can see who Derek Davis was so that's Derek Davis right yes. All right Mr. Spalding if you would show Mr. Kessler or plaintiffs exhibit 699 Mr. Kessler you can see from this discord chat then in the list of PR representatives who are going to work on show it's filled 2.0 Derek Davis is the traditionalist worker party representative right answer yes and question Mr. and you see that Mr. Klein is the identity Europa representative for example yes question all right Mr. Spalding can you show Mr. Kessler oh I apologize it moved to admit six. 699 it's admitted let's show Mr. Kessler plaintiffs exhibit 1444 a please this is you had quite a lot of Facebook messages directly with Derek Davis you don't disagree with that do you I definitely talk to him a lot on Facebook and sometimes it was just the two of you right like in this conversation it says at the top conversation with Derek Davis looks that way yes. And on June 7th which was is actually the same date as some of the post we were just looking at earlier you say quote it may take a little extra prodding to get I want to make sure Mr. Spalding can find this it's June 7th at 359 quote it may take a little extra prodding to get surge SUV R.J. to the double horseshooter you see that yes and SUV R.J. is showing up stand up for racial justice right that's the acronym yes that's what it stands for. And the double horseshooter is a bar yes and you say I know how to make sure surge shows up you see that right yes you tell tell them you think we're with Richard Spencer yes and Derek David says all right then you got anyone who could pass that pass for Spencer from behind do you see that yes and then you say I don't think so really there's only one Richard Spencer right you don't say that but that's the case right I say I don't think so really. Right and then you say you put up a quote because this is what you're saying should be posted quote Jason Kessler and his group of fascists are meeting with Richard Spencer right now with the double horseshooter talking about the August 12th event do you see that yes and Derek Davis says quote I was thinking along those lines and quote and that's something you wanted posted so that SUV R.J. would see it and go to the double horseshooter correct apparently yes. All right let's move to 1444 C this is another chat between you and Derek Davis do you see that yes. Mr. Spalding if we could show through the witness and the jury the text that or the chats that begin with I think you need the two from the other page it starts with should we alert Antifa for Thursday's meetup or just the proud boys event on Saturday do you see that yes. Yes. And Derek Davis says you're called up to you right yes and you respond tell them something like Kessler's group is going is meeting on the downtown mall Thursday night even more troubling is that he's organizing the neo Nazi proud boys group to meet downtown on Saturday presumably to plan for his August 12th rally as we've already seen militia leader based stickman has retweeted Jason Kessler about the event do you see that you said that yes. And that's the quote you're offering to be posted correct yes. You also say we have to resist the proud boys coming to our city anyone who says that we should back down to these terrorists is supporting their violence and racism being normalized in our communities that's what you're suggesting Derek Davis make sure be posted correct yes. One question on the proud boys that you refer to as neo Nazi proud boys you remember of the proud boys at this time correct answer very briefly but I don't think that there are neo Nazi group that was it all quotes this is the way I view liberals is speaking about events. Question I understand and this is what you wanted posted that's why it's quotes right yes. Okay let's show Mr. Kessler play to exhibit 1444 D please. This is another Facebook chat that you had with Derek Davis your honor we moved to admit 1444 D the witness recognizes it be admitted. All right so on June 18th of 2017 you're right to Mr. Davis do you have a poll or something I can wave this rebel flag from do you see that at the bottom yes. And Mr. Davis says I mean you can get a Walmart poll for like seven bucks you say I guess a thin pole would fit but it seems made seems made to use those brass. Then you say he says Walmart polls have brass grommet holders and you say is this the kind of thing you had in mind doesn't seem that aesthetic then Mr. Davis says what are you talking about my dude do you see that yes. And you say flag poll yes. And then if we go to the next page he says you say something we can't see and then he says no the the cheaper one can be weaponized do you see that that's what he says right and he's talking about the flag poll correct yes. Okay we could take that down Mr. Spalding Mr. Kessler you would agree with me wouldn't you that it was important to be completely forthcoming with the police about Charlottesville 2.0 right yes. We'd like to show you Texas changes between yourself and defendant Klein there 1458 a through D and it may be that the quickest way to do this is to hand them to you rather than try to show you four exhibits on the screen that will take time. So I'm going to ask Miss lawyer to hand to you or to hand the Marshall and just let us know Mr. Kessler if you recognize those text exchanges you had with defendant Klein from July 11th yes. All right your honor moved to admit 1458 a through D please be admitted. So the first message in this exchange is from you to defendant Klein saying quote cops want to talk to me about the rally do you see that yes. So in mid July the police had reached out to you wanted to know your plans you agree with that answer yes I had many discussions with the police. Right during this time as well. And you see that the next text exchange Mr. Mosley says. And just hold them off until we can talk about our plan a bit more you see that. Yes and then you respond I told them all I can say is basic stuff about Antifa trying to disrupt our setup in the morning and block entrance to the park you see that yes. And then in the next exchange you respond to Mr. Klein to say it would be helpful to give them a security liaison who can tell them what we want them to know you see that yes. Let's show Mr. Kessler plaintiffs exhibit 1460 D now this is another Facebook conversation in which you participated you can see your name there right yes. You're on our move to admit 1460 D be admitted. And I'm going to direct your attention to the chats from July 18th of 2017 and actually if you can get to the if you can get the those two and the one right above it Mr. Spalding thank you you say if the police ask you how many people we have coming don't you. We have coming don't tell them. If they think we have more than 400 they might be able to get the help to help the city pull our permit you see that yes. I didn't want people speaking off the cuff and saying something that they weren't qualified to speak on like attendance that would screw up the legal issues question so your testimony is you didn't want people talking about this because they weren't qualified answer yeah they had no idea people could just randomly speculate about it and it wouldn't be based on anything factual question. Okay and you say just say you don't know and then somebody with the name Wade Garrett says are you guys aware of can't well conversation with the Charlottesville PD he replay he played a recording of it on his show last night sounds like she might have been fishing for an expected number of attendees do you see that answer yeah they were fishing for somebody to say the wrong thing about the attendance that they had no idea about like they would just randomly speculate and then they would use that to try and deny us our permit. Mr. Kessler do you recall that after this in the Facebook chat you say privately we can count the 800 to a thousand number better for our enemies to underestimate us do you remember that you wrote that answer it's possible I said that at the time that wasn't the actual attendance number though those numbers fluctuated throughout the event. Question we'll talk about that but you certainly agree that it's possible that you said privately they should tout the 800 to a thousand number because it's better for our enemies to underestimate us correct answer can I see that question we'll pull it up I'm going to move on while Mr. Spalling and Miss lawyer find that for you if you could look at plaintiffs exhibit 1396 answer it could have been a completely different time period that's why I want to know you're making it sound like these things were in the middle of the night. So we're at the same time so question we'll find it for you it's immediately after this let's look at plaintiffs exhibit 1396 this is another Facebook conversation I apologize this is a conversation between you and Augustus Invictus do you see this yes in your text message to Augustus Invictus by the way who is Mr. Invictus answer he is one of the he was one of the scheduled speakers at the event question and you say if you get a chance to speak to detective Kirby of the Charlottesville PD is the if he asks you how many people are coming with you say you don't know do you see that yes this had to do with the legal issues surrounding the permit when two parties are in she is interrupted by her question she interrupts him says your honor is it difficult to read sometimes trial transcripts are awful hang on one second these things are not because like you know the court reporter is attempting to transcribe crosstalk and it doesn't work out very well the court says just answer her narrow question your attorney has time to ask you questions you say to Mr. Invictus if detective Kirby asked you how many people are coming with you say you don't know you see that correct yes ma'am so this doesn't pertain to the general attendees these are people who were coming with Mr. Invictus and you're saying say you don't know you see that right answer I see I see you answer I see I said that but the larger interpretation I don't know if you're accurate about question okay let's show you have this all right so Mr. Spalding please show Mr. Kessler wear on Tuesday July 18th of 2017 he says on the next page where he says privately we can tell the eight hundred to a thousand number better for our enemies to underestimate that you see that you posted that correct Mr. Kessler yes let's show Mr. Kessler plaintiffs exhibit 3841 Mr. Kessler this is your permit application for char what's filled 2.0 you recognize it yes great your permit is for August 12 of 2017 let's show the jury the date you see that yes it's for 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. you see that yes and if you look above that there's a space where you can enter the location for which to enter to which the permit applies and it says Lee Park you see that yes it doesn't say anything where other than Lee Park correct that's what it says it says Lee Park yes and if you look at the application as an option to request street closings and you've checked no you see that right and the permit application also ask you to estimate the number of participants and you say 400 do you see that yeah it looks like I did estimate that number yes okay we could take that down Mr. Spalding so this was a complete fucking circus okay he's lying to people he's tipping off and Tifa he's telling other people to lie these are major fucking problems when you run into a situation like we went into in his closing argument Jason's attorney James clinic said quote the alt-right wanted to fight Tifa but they wanted to do so legally this amounts to a confession and to hear a lawyer utter it was complete lunacy I had to dispute this in my closing argument by saying quote you must look at me in my co-defendant separately Mr. Colenic told you that the alt-right wanted to fight Antifa but they wanted to do so legally I did not want to fight anybody legally or otherwise which is why I wore a body camera and insisted on close coordination with law enforcement so if there was anybody who should have been thrown under the bus during this trial it was Jason himself and why him far more than James fields in fact everybody sought to distance themselves from James and this was easy enough to do since none of us had any connection to James at all I stood up and in the last line of my closing argument I said that I believe the man was innocent of the offense for which he was convicted and that this is why I supported him that in fact was the only defense we had to raise that we believed in the innocence of Mr. Fields a sending to the outcome of his sham trial and the guilty plea he subsequently accepted to avoid the death penalty only a sense to the element of intent the plaintiffs had alleged being averse to this association after the man has pleaded guilty to murder does you know good when you are alleged to be his co-conspirator in the crime Jason actually sought a violent armed confrontation he brought in self-described races to make the violent armed confrontation happen he planned with others to make that violent confrontation with the racists occur that covers every element of the accusation I did none of these things and yet I am held equally liable to Jason Kessler in this absolute circus of a trial where he ended up being the key witness for the fucking plaintiffs his testimony was so bad that his lawyer did not want to cross examine him he had no questions for his client he wanted him off the stand as fast as possible people praise me for not throwing guys under the bus and thanks for that but I'll be honest with you I did not a lot more than throw Jason under the bus if I had known about any of this I found out about what I just read to you in the fucking courtroom Jason was the chief beneficiary of the plaintiffs keeping me in the fucking dark while I was locked up if I had known what this little shit did I wanted to just disavow him I wanted to just throw him under the fucking bus I'd assume my goddamn self I'd have every right-winger who got hurt or had to hurt someone else that weekend and I put together a team of plaintiffs and we'd be fighting over the scraps of his fucking loser carcass right now with the reds but instead of getting thrown under the bus Jason threw others under the bus such as in this exchange question and Nathan DeBigo and Eli Klein were both leaders of identity or open they joined you and Mr. Spenser for weekly planning calls for Charlottesville 2.0 answer I don't think that's accurate question alright so in your disposition that position Mr. Kessler you were asked the question you gave this answer quote and you had a weekly call with Mr. Spenser Mr. Domingo and Mr. Oh I apologize I'm reading someone else's deposition answer yeah question so Mr. Klein said that he had phone calls with you and Mr. Domingo and Mr. Spenser saying it's false answer no he's a liar he's a known liar it warrants mention here that Jason didn't just state this plainly he shouted it in the courtroom like he was afraid of something Klein had said and needed the jury to believe he was passionately denying it there is no reason to believe that that's the case since Jason has explicitly stated that he was a principal organizer and even if the line about the conference calls was false it's not like Jason can deny being a planner of the event worse than throwing his co-defendant under the bus it made Jason look desperate and afraid and since much of our case rested on the fact that Eli spoke to the cops at advance of the torch march calling him a liar was very disadvantageous to our defense if Jason hadn't participated in these calls it would have more than suffice for him to say that Mr. Klein was mistaken and Mr. Klein had by this time stopped cooperating with the litigation so there would have been nothing but his deposition to refute Mr. Kessler's denial as for me Jason had by this time figured out that it would be disadvantageous for him to throw me under the bus but I come under the impression that he made that decision during the trial as a consequence of my performance therein he probably planned to throw me under the bus the most Jason don't the most damage Jason did to me was during an in advance of the event and after I had precisely zero to do with the planning of the United Right Rowley there was no evidence to suggest I was in any sort of leadership position but Jason introduced me to the reporter from vice he told me to tell her that I represented the event although I had no leadership role Jason sent me a text inviting me to a thing called a leadership meeting and that is the only reason I attended it in the wake of the chaos he invited me to an after party as described in this exchange for the trial transcript question I won't go through all of these but just directing your attention to your next your text to Mr. Cantwell on August 12th at 2 a.m. you see that one answer 11 Langford place yes question sorry the other text that you sent him at 2 a.m. on August 12th answer we're still meeting at the after party that one correct Yes ma'am it says we're still meeting at the after party location 5 p.m. capacity is 150 so leaders and essential people only we need to talk about how we move forward potentially having a press conference in the near future to get our side of the story out do you see that answer I see it and 2 18 on August 12th it's about a half an hour after the car attack right answer I don't recall exactly what time that happened question it happened at 141 and you invited leaders and essential people which included Mr. Cantwell correct answer yes while there are plenty of reasons to be unhappy with asmr door in the folks at the daily stormer Jason's treatment of them during questioning was by no means helpful either question this is a discord post from July 28th it is a post by Robert Ray who goes by asmr door he says he just got done with an hours long chat with some of the event organizers and feels better about the thing he says that quote the plan is the same the gas the kikes PR war now plenty of trolling and lulls you see that Mr. Kessler answer yeah I see he said that question right but he's talking about the event organizers and you and Mr. Klein with a primary event organizers correct answer we were but Mr. Ray is a scumbag and I was trying to keep him out of the event so that's what he was referring to is these people staged a mutiny against me and forced me to have this guy as part of the event. Ms. Dunn your honor move to strike the court sustained. Ms. Dunn thank you question Mr. Kessler my question is whether this chat talks about an hours long chat that asmr door had with the event organizers that's my question answer all I can tell you is I see he said right there question I do too and you don't disagree that ultimately Robert Ray as midor attended the event right answer yes ma'am question and you don't disagree that ultimately you agreed to that right answer I agreed to give him a limited speaking spot yes question you agreed to have him there correct answer I just said I agreed to have him a small speaking spot at the event question right and one of the reasons you did that is because you wanted the stormers to be there and you knew that if you lost Robert Ray you would lose the stormers answer I don't think that's accurate I think the reason was because he was threatening to have these people come in and say stuff like gas the kikes and do sick hells and stuff and I was trying to keep that out of my event the guy threatened that he would do that question Mr. Kessler my question to you is simply did you want the stormers to come to the event answer at first I might have but by the time I realized what this guy and his crew is about I was not so hot on it question okay one other thing I wanted to ask about is this Mr. Kessler you don't dispute that Mr. Ray was there on August 11th right answer I've seen pictures of him there so I believe he was question right and one of the pictures you have seen is this with his arm outstretched macing somebody right yes question right something that you know that he is referred to as gas the kikes you know that right answer I've heard you guys make that argument he was a very bad person and I don't think he should have been at the event I'll never associate with him again question okay Mr. Kessler my question was well actually maybe I should just ask you this have you not seen the video where as the door says on August 12th quote I personally gased half a dozen kikes have you seen that with your eyes yeah it was disgusting question thank you Mr. Kessler let's talk for a moment about your communications with other defendants you produced your phone records in this case they are voluminous as you would expect unlike for you to identify them are these your records it looks that way yes now by the way are you going to dispute these phone records are phone calls with Robert Ray it could be yeah now I don't know if Kalenik explained this Jason but when you are accused of a conspiracy it doesn't do you any good to say in the wake of the alleged conspiracy that you dislike your co-conspirator the question is not how you feel about him today that's actually completely irrelevant the question is whether you conspired with him in the manner alleged if you tell the court that your alleged co-conspirator is a bad guy you are telling the court that at the time of the alleged conspiracy you are associating with a bad guy so Jason goes on this whole thing about asmr door being a problem and then misdone shows him the phone records where he's got the guy on the horn it was very dammit when Kessler's lawyer James Kalenik cross examined Richard Spencer he went into some bizarre line of questioning to imply that Spencer sought to take over identity Europa the questioning was completely 100% irrelevant but the plaintiffs did not object because they knew as well as I did that this was not helping our defense and the slightest and this type of shit went on throughout the entire trial I am not endeavor to find out about it the details but it has been reported to me that you know throughout the trial you're supposed to use social media attacking his co-definite as well and so this is what Jason does you see Jason gets into trouble creates problems he deceives people intentionally he conspires he breaks the law and then he blames everybody else for the outcomes of the problems that he created with all intent that's what that's Jason Kessler and I would love love love love love if I had had enough time and I might have to return to this in fact to go really take a deep dive into Jason's social media you know the last time that Jason pissed me off I forwarded a bunch of his pose to my own telegram channel and so there's some real funny stuff there I just did a few recently and I said this morning one of the few suggestions I've seen as we're taking from Jason Kessler came moments ago and he suggested I share with you the following images in the first you'll see one which may be familiar from last month in this Jason for me he was writing a book while he was writing about me he wanted me to name my accent I asked very specifically not to appear in his sell-e project and Jason was unsurprisingly unwilling to heed my request he said that he would just say he sounds like family guy because Jason is a fucking asshole and no matter what circumstances are he will continue to ask people for favors and then setting fire to the relationships as soon as he doesn't get what he wants now this exchange from November 14th that I'm referencing here came on the heels of Jason telling me off over the phone Jason contacted me about a post that he had at V-Dare about the the Charlottesville prosecutions that are ongoing with this burning to intimidate horseshit right and as you know one of the people being prosecuted in that in those cases is a fellow by the name of Augustus Invictus who we've had on the show and Jason asked me have you been following these cases and I said well no Jason you know it's just you know there's I'm I'm peripherally aware generally of what's going on but no I haven't followed them in any detail well you should you know you really got a you got to you know cover this and I tell Jason just matter of fact like I actually don't think that that's a very good use of my time okay there's actually not a whole lot of newsworthy stuff going on in Charlottesville we understand that the government is in the government in Charlottesville is a bunch of corrupt criminals okay and that they're maliciously prosecuting our friends and that they're doing so in complete contravention of the letter in spirit of law all of that is very well understood and I'm very upset about that believe me when I tell you I'm friends with people who are being prosecuted down there there are listeners of the show who are being prosecuted down there and I'm very fucking upset about it but I don't I don't pick what to tell you based on like the things that upset me you know I have to I have to come up with something that's going to produce an entertaining show okay and if I whine about every injustice ad nauseam saying the same thing over and over again you know this is not going to you know we're not going to have a podcast for very long so I explain this to Jason and he says to me well you know Augustus has this gag order and I'm like we mean gag order okay and he's like Augustus is not allowed to talk about the case at all I say well that's unusual you know like do you have the document for this and he's like no and he's he was like you and I'm like well what do you want me to do he's like have me on your show to talk about it I'm like well you're saying that there's a gag order like show get the document show me the document I don't have the document I'm like Jason go get the document then and Jason yells at me over the phone and it's like you need to listen to me you don't understand what's important here and I commonly say to Jason Jason I'm the host of the show that you're asking to come on I decide what's important to understand and Jason does not understand that he says I don't give a shit about your fucking podcast well good then don't ask to come on my fucking podcast and leave me to fuck a load and I hang up the phone on him okay so that precedes this November 14th exchange that I posted a picture of this morning where he says to me writing a brief biological sketch of you for a book I'm writing you have a very distinctive accent is there a word for it I respond I don't want you writing anything biographical about me please he replies it's a book about my experiences in Charlottesville I have to write about every one of the speakers I replied to him you do not have to write a book at all and if you do write a book you do not need to write biographies of everyone involved I am declining to answer your question and asking to be completely omitted from any book you are considering he replies to me very well will just say quote sounds like Peter Griffin from Family Guy and quote audience will get it so this little shit okay who has been throwing people under the fucking bus who caused the fucking problems on purpose is now has to write a book and he has to write biographies of all the people he's been fucking over all these years and he wants my assistance with that and shockingly enough I'm not I'm not anxious to participate you know and he acts surprised at this and he responds to me with this mocking horseshit and then the fucking little fuck comes back to me today with this I haven't spoken to him since then he comes to me today covering the chemical attack on you by Mike Longo on August 12 would be helpful if I could have a few sentences from you about what it was like to experience that I replied to him I am not helping you stop asking which is the most polite response that I can give this motherfucker right can I be any nicer than I am not helping you stop asking after all that I've seen excuse me he replies why are you so angry with me I tried to support you publicly there's no reason to be this way I respond to him that you need to ask is why I'm angry you're completely oblivious to the damage that you do to all of your relationships and you never stop to consider that your own behavior is the only constant feature of all these failures he replies all of my relationships you've been talking to drug addict Dave and think you know something about me or maybe that obese cow Hannah your idea of girlfriend material now this is comical indeed I have some idea who is who he's referring to by Dave and to the best of my knowledge Dave is not a drug addict and I'm pretty sure that I have a better relationship with Dave than Jason Kessler does these days Hannah happens to be a mother of several beautiful children and you know a woman might gain a few pounds and of course I'm pretty sure it's five kids it might be more than this actually and of course a giving birth to five white lives you know you're part of a woman for gain a couple pounds you know and by the way Hannah remains a beautiful woman even with the weight that she gained and of course a giving birth to five white children but this is what Jason Kessler does you see okay and by the way Dave by the way is a guy who stood up for Jason Kessler when nobody else would okay so it's curious to me that he's got a problem with Dave something has happened between him and Dave fairly recently for Jason to be calling the guy a drug addict okay these are people who were friends with Jason who helped Jason who went out of their way to help Jason who who had their reputations harmed by associating with Jason and they have nothing to do with this the reason I'm saying that all of his relationships are a failure is because all of his relationships are failed relationships are failures and like he publicly complains about all of them as a matter of facts not something that I'd have to go and privately inquire about he's always saying so but because Jason can't help but create more conflict but because because Jason is always in conflict with somebody these two names come to his mind when his failed relationships are mentioned and so he brings them to me and insults these fine people I respond to this don't make me block your number and of course those of you have seen the telegram posts of this have something of a spoiler in that the indication that I've already blocked Jason is now visible on the screen because I took the screenshots after blocking him he replies to me I've got a better idea why don't you go wind about me on your telegram again very masculine move tough guy you mean nothing to me I didn't even post about you you are as emotional as a woman it's why you are it's why you ended up in prison so remember this you know this exchange begins with Jason Kessler asking me for exposure right he wants to come on my show and I've rejected him because he can't bother to go and get a document from the the court the courthouse website you see and because of that this exchange begins in which Jason Kessler goes from asking for favors to your fucking complete piece of shit and I hate you in the blink of an eye because that's what Jason Kessler does and ever since then he comes to me asked for my help and I declined to give it to him and he immediately goes into things like this your as emotional as a woman it's why you ended up in prison no you fucking prick I ended up in prison because you intentionally got me involved in a fucking war that's why I ended up in prison that's the entirety of the reason that I ended up in prison is because of fucking you I say then don't write about me in your gay book he replies you're a part of the story whether I like it or not and I just want to try and do your perspective justice I replied to him if I did what you wanted you'd be speaking much differently you're a petulant child and nobody who works with you leaves better off for the experience I'm fucking done with you he replies to me I'm an adult I run a real business that helps people I don't want for people to buy stuff from you on Amazon at this point he's blocked and so I have no fucking idea what he said after that and of these three images that I just read to you I say this on telegram in these three you see today's conversation which further demonstrate his social and aptitude Jason appears completely oblivious to the problems he has created with his prior outbursts he finds it totally surprising that I do not want to help him with the project I have already refused to help him with and in which he specifically stated he would speak about me mockingly as revenge notice the pattern because it is remarkably consistent and if you ever work with Jason Kessler you'll have an identical experience everyone who works with him has the same experience step one Jason asked for help step two Jason does not get what he wants or even if he has granted the help he requests he fails anyway and three Jason viciously attacks the person whose help he requires this happens with all of his relationships it is why he is completely alone and nobody in their right mind will work with him it is why he rejects white nationalism talks about dating non white women after being rejected by every white woman he has ever approached it is why he blames his loss of telegram followers on bots it is why he immediately threw his co-defendants under the bus it signs the Kessler trial he is a childish toxic stupid fucking loser and if you have anything to do with him after this warning you will have earned the suffering that this causes so let's take a couple of Jason's social media posts let's go read a couple of things from Jason's telegram give you an idea of what Jason's doing unprovoked in this one Jason says ultimately white nationalism does not speak to my primary issues as a white man I'm not sitting around quaking in my boots over black crime there are no Jews or illegal immigrants who are directly standing between me and what would make me happy the only people who have what I want are white women I want to have a loving family no Jews withholding what I want no black is withholding what I want no illegal immigrant is withholding what I want the fact that I can be reasonable the fact that I can be a responsible hard working white man and nowhere in my life come anywhere near white women who might want to fall in love and have a family is a material problem for me and one that white nationalism does not address no posting pictures of white women and asking aren't they beautiful does not address the issue no posting endless pictures of white families and asking aren't they great does not address the issue no insulting white men by telling them to man up or some other feminist garbage does not solve the problem there is no way to get around the fact that white women seem to be all seem to all be either left wing lunatics are hyper religious nutters and that they go out of their way not to be available to single men they are literally the only race of women that crosses the street when a single mad is walking on the same side of the road as them now I understand all too well that the terrible things going on in our world have brought absolute fucking havoc on the women of our society and the women of our society and I think that's a terrible tragic fucking thing and if you want to know how fucking tragic I believe that to be become surreal politics dot com member and then go to Christopher Cantwell dot net and read nearly was radical agenda stage six episode eight sex in the hate and you'll read about my reading of Kathy Ryzenwitz and really fucking disturbing thing that happened between you and me and another woman since I've been out of prison, okay and I understand that plenty of people who are listening to sound of my voice right now are frustrated with the dating market I understand that too well but this idea that Jason doesn't have access to white women and that they are therefore the source of Jason's problems and that therefore white nationalism is horse shit well you know I've heard of better reason for rejecting white nationalism than that let's say his telegram channel talks about this second only to the United right rally okay and that's the big fucking joke he goes on to say you cannot be a white nationalist if you have irreconcilable differences with white women if you are a white man and have no conceivable way to meet single white women you have much bigger and more immediate issues that can then can be blamed on any Mexican black person or Jew this is an internal problem within our race that few of our women seem particularly concerned about falling in love and having a family well now you know again I don't mean to diminish the larger broader problem but so long as there is such a thing as sexual selection so long as women are choosing suitable mates Jason Castler will rightly be excluded excluded from reproduction okay it's not true that there's somebody for everybody the whole entire point of like the selective process is that not everybody gets to have a fucking offspring Jason and your fucking behavior and your congenital incapacity to empathize with others to cooperate to understand the damage that you do to your relationships it makes it a perfectly reasonable thing that no woman wants to be with you and if you can find some affection in the arms of a non white woman well you know that's a matter of you lowering your standards to meet your circumstances isn't it Jason and we can understand you doing that you know that's understandable I'm not even holding it against you those are very powerful drives you know to survive really but that's not a problem with nationalism it's a problem with you do and so here's another one of Jason's great telegram post that demonstrate both his simultaneous ineptitude for and devotion to being deceptive if you know anything about Jason Castler you know that the unite to write rally was the best thing that ever happened to him unlike the experience of so many others of course in his pathetic life this was his moment in the sun you see the day that people actually paid attention to him even if all for all the wrong reasons Jason has been trying to relive that day ever since and is talked about almost nothing else safer his frustration with white women of course and as he sits to pen a book in which he slanders his co-defendants and act as though he is blameless in all that he has done to make this go wrong like he did at the trial that board his name he incest that this is the last thing he wants to speak up no he's not desperately clinging to what little this can do for his star of giggle no this is merely his duty and since nobody believes that nonsense everyone who reads the following post knows that he is a liar quote the last thing in the world I thought I wanted to focus on was charlotte fill he says now you could be forgiven for not knowing this but if you know anything about Jason Kessler this is all he talks about but he continues but the truth is my upcoming article is going to have details which could and should demonstrate to profound courtroom prejudice toward the a 11 protesters and I believe provide justification for overturning guilty police bond rulings and lead to the recusal of members of the court the evidence is profoundly more direct than what I found about the law clerks in the science case I have a moral obligation to act in such a circumstance when a few others will you will also see the likely courtroom insider who has been giving antifa bloggers unprecedented access to the courtroom happenings before the newspapers themselves are aware so this actually isn't about the book now I realize take a closer look at what I'm reading but this brings us to something that I do need to address before we're done here almost everybody is already cut Jason off there's only one place that still gets Jason a voice and that's V-Dare and I understand this a number of people involved with it but I think it's accurate for me to say that's run that outfits run by a fellow by the name of Peter Bremelow and everything that I know about Peter Bremelow says that he's a good guy so I don't mean to attack Mr. Bremelow's character by pointing this out I also understand that somebody's got to be keeping Jason Kessler a float you see he's talking shit to me about you know I have people buy me shit on Amazon well I went down to meet Jason in Virginia you know he basically said he had a wealthy benefactor down there and I come to suspect in the aftermath of all this that benefactor is Mr. Bremelow now I might be wrong about that okay but I do know that V-Dare was given this guy a voice and that this guy threw all his co-defendants under the bus and created the problem that created the trial okay any of you got like Bremelow or other years over there I'm not a you never see me do this okay but this guy needs to be stopped okay nobody should be given this guy a voice nobody should be amplifying anything that this shit had does and they certainly shouldn't be fucking paying him for it and so you know this is literally the first time you've ever seen me say this get this fucking guys whoever's fucking voicing him tell them to fucking stop cut it to fuck out there's no excuse for continuing this shit what he did at that trial followed by the fucking he created the fucking circumstances that created the trial he caused the whole fucking problem and then he throws everybody under the bus at the fucking thing and now he's writing a book where he's gonna slander everybody in the process that guy should fear for his fucking safety for Christ sake he certainly shouldn't be running around fucking publishing blog posts on prestigious publications like the plagiarism of V-Dare frankly so let's take a call Kuala you're on the radical agenda with your agenda oh hey buddy just trying to keep it and be said but I'm keeping out on me so from one and a half clock seems like going pretty scorched there so I'm a whole basically test where it seems like you got legitimate or you know better and a lot of them said you know what you were reading from court back then but you know it doesn't sound too good but I've just recently over the past year so kind of tried to test as much information as I could about the show to build the hill and everything you know I got familiar with you, Kessler and you know I've seen Lisa Wingworth you know this is a cure to go and go beat Dorky you know get hung it down and get this life I'm not trying to stir anything up here you know since you're a carry mickey not I got it everything dismissed and there's still you know the room or float around and I read a lot about it where you know they were trying to get him to release all the information so the people who were subscribed to his show but you know all the information that he had on them and I know it's a lie to talk about it or what your opinion is on it I can understand your question I'll answer it so I actually do not have any information on what if anything Mike Enoch and TRS were compelled to produce in discovery that part I cannot speak intelligently to I just literally don't have the answer to it okay I can say that in my review of the discovery I never saw a TRS member list nothing of the sort was brought to bear as evidence of the trial those two things I can say but I do not know if Mike Mike Enoch was compelled to provide anything in discovery I actually don't know the answer to that question what I do know is that Mike the claims against Mike in the civil lawsuit were dismissed on the grounds that Mike Enoch was not accused of anything for which the plaintiffs could recover damages and you can verify that if you read the complaint okay now if you could get conspiratorial and say that this was their plan all along you know but the truth of the matter is that like you know if you if you followed the case closely enough it makes perfect sense Mike was not involved in any fighting Mike didn't tell people to bring weapons Mike didn't like Mike Mike was not involved in anything that that they accused us of being involved in okay he wasn't at the meeting where like he he was a guy all he was accused of doing was participating in the event like that he was an invited speaker and that he showed up and that he promoted it what was his what was his chart was it the same was he was never he was never charged he was he was lumped in as a co-defendant with us in the six in the six claims in a civil lawsuit okay he was never charged with a crime but he was he was he was among the people who were accused by the plaintiffs of participating in a racially motivated violent conspiracy okay and so we all said we all said hey they're just persecuting us for freedom of speech and each one of the defendants who was who remained a defendant after the initial motion to dismiss you know if you read the if you read the judge's decision they say I don't I can't tell you what he said about each individual defendant why they were why they stayed as defendants but like the judge articulated for each defendant why okay and in my case I did read where he said that my opinion which wasn't you know participate in the violent you know it was he was not even accused of it in the in the document you see so like you know all they had to do is accuse him plausibly of basically anything all it required for you to remain a defendant in a civil lawsuit all it required to to survive a motion to dismiss of that phase because the motion to dismiss is failure to state a claim okay so you say even if everything the plaintiffs alleges true they can't claim damages from my client because they've not stated a claim in their suit okay that's the only reason that a person gets dismissed at that stage and that is why Enoch was dismissed was because all they said was he went to the place and he promoted the event and for the court to say he's not a lawyer and for this they cannot claim damages and that's that's an accurate statement you know and so like there's really nothing suspicious about that the only way that you can get suspicious about it and I'm not saying that you should I'm just the only I'm just acknowledging something you know for for the sake of being completely straightforward if you were going to say that there's something suspicious about that it's that they did not accuse him you see you know I'm saying so like you know they put him in the lawsuit he gets dismissed they've made these outrageous accusations against all of us but you know there are always a bet there are always things that they could tie to us okay in my case obviously you know there's a picture of me pepper spraying a guy that's not first amendment protected activity if I'm unjustified right I'm being prosecuted for this criminally that's that's there's a plausible allegation I can't just say that there's failure state of claim you see you know well everyone that was you know lumped into this lawsuit and accused you know and brought in on this I mean how many people you know still got hit even though they weren't involved in any kind of violent well the thing is if you read if I don't have the answer to this all the time I had to say very specifically but there were specific points made by the judge here's what he did where he crosses the line it according to the plaintiffs accusations of course right with the judge says is if he is he explains at the beginning of the decision which is a standard fair thing in this in this process if you know that he has to for this purpose assume that what the plaintiff say is true and so if what they say is true they say he did this and this is actually not protected by the first amendment he did this and this is not protected by the first amendment he did not do anything that is not protected by the first amendment then therefore he is dismissed and so that's that's articulated for each individual that individual defendant in that in that decision on the motion to dismiss okay and like well yeah I understand but there was a guy recently there was charge you know six years later for both to talk to or something that's not actually the first amendment I mean well what was the you highly well but here's the thing right so that guy so the charge at the time the the allegation of the lawsuit was not burning to intimidate and to the best of my I don't think that I have no information to suggest that my e-mail was even at the torch march right so like right you know what I'm saying so like there's a guy who are being charged criminally today. For things that they weren't even sued for by the plaintiffs all right and you know yeah like there's a lot of things right now I'm not I'm not trying to clear up here I just stuff you know like I read you know they have so I think we talked about you know brain weapons. So you know it's kind of like similar things. Are you are you are you are articulating that in advance of the event Mike Enoch told people to bring weapons are you stating that as a factual matter? Well I mean that's what I read. Where did you read that? I forget what publication they had him quoted and one of his I think it was the Daily Show maybe or or something like that where he was you know making those statements. So and then you know I don't know I believe the whole deal where they brought up about him releasing the information from all his followers and people who are subscribed to him you know all that kind of came out and then it seemed like it got dismissed and you know again like I'm not trying to throw some shit up here I'm just saying. I think that you know I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you okay and I'm sorry I'm actually gonna drop your call okay it there's actually there's it's 100% certain that Enoch did not give up like a user list that did not happen okay. I do not know what if anything Mike Enoch was forced to give up in discovery but I even remaining a defendant was not compelled to do that all right. So that's an inaccurate statement that the statement that Mike Enoch gave the plaintiff said user list or something that definitely didn't happen. And so you might be misinformed I'm not accusing you of calling here to be a bad actor necessarily but you're definitely stating falsehoods on the radical agenda I can't allow you to continue doing that so. I don't know you know I'm reasonably confident that I have heard about that. You know there are you know a lot of things that we were forced to give up you know I had to give up all my email communications all my text messages that pertain to the event. Then then they were like oh they're not since we don't have evidence of a conspiracy they need to hand over their phones and stuff and they and they imaged our phones you know. And so like a lot of data ended up in these people's hands all right and it was nothing that we could do to prevent that. Short of committing a felony you know and so you know when you're on when you're online you know when you're in the office when you're involved in anything if a lawsuit occurs in subpoena start flying around don't think that guys are going to commit a felony to keep your secrets okay I'm definitely not going to do that okay I'm not going to felony to keep your secret all right unless you and I are involved in a criminal conspiracy I'm not going to commit another crime to protect you you know I'm saying. And so you know and since I don't participate in criminal conspiracies there's zero chance that I'm going to be involved in one with you right so don't expect me to commit a felony to keep your secret. And you shouldn't expect anyone to do that right like that's that's nuts that's crazy the idea that you know you would think that somebody owes it to you to commit a felony to keep your identity a secret okay but that's but there's no information that T. R. S. handed over a member list or any of that stop that that is a false allegation. And so you know if you got things to complain about T. R. S. I'm sure there's legitimate things to complain about you know I'm not I'm not anxious to carry what if he's guys and it's funny to me that like I end up doing that anyway because it's not something I'm particularly anxious to do they're my business competitor you know like I actually you know I stand to gain substantially from their misfortune you see all right but not if I do that in a disreputable way such as by you know I'm not going to be a criminal. You know allowing false allegations to go unanswered from callers okay and so I think that whatever you're you know troubles with them there's probably better ways to handle this let me go read some super chats here. 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