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This is stage six today is October 8, 2023 is the current year. And I am here once again with Simon Roche of Sightlanders from South Africa. He was very kind. We did a we did an episode just on Friday. We did a live broadcast and he agreed to do another episode with me. So here we are back in a hotel room on Sunday. But we decided to do this off the air so that I'm not scrambling to do things on time off site. And so welcome back to the radical agenda. Simon Roche. Thank you very much for having Sightlanders back on your show. We appreciate it. We appreciate the exposure. We appreciate the conversation. We appreciate the opportunity to share our message. Excellent. It's good to be with you, my friend. And so, excuse me. What the heck just my headphones and we're good now. I can edit this out. Were you about to ask me something right before we got started? Not as being about off. Okay. All right. Very good. So, you know, I think that we got to cover most of the South Africa thing and what it is that you're here to do on the other show. But, you know, as we as we do that, obviously, you know, we open up all cans of worms about world affairs. And, you know, we were sort of short for time. I thought it'd be a lot of fun to sort of get into those things. And so, you know, obviously today the big story is Israel is at war. There's the there's wall to wall coverage. And for once upon it, for once in the United States, all of the news outlets agree wholeheartedly. There's no disagreement whatsoever. Everybody's were all Americans when Israel isn't trouble. There's no division on that subject. And so, I think you've watched a little more news than me today. What's your what's your immediate assessment? Well, I think that the outstanding feature, of course, is the element of surprise that the Palestinians were able to launch such an enormous attack at multiple points. By land, sea and air. Without the Israeli intelligence services knowing anything about it. And it should be said, without the American intelligence services knowing anything about it in advance, they were taken completely by surprise. I think you'd have to be naive to believe that that narrative could be true. That's my opinion. I have an added chance to speak to my boss, our leader, Mr. Gustaf Müller, about this, I'm trying quite hard not to trouble him at this point in time. His mother-in-law passed away a week ago, and they're a very close-knit family. But I would love to have a good chat with him about this. Speaking just for myself and not really for St. London's, it just seems to me too good to be true. For them to have marshalled and mobilized and deployed so many human beings and so many resources without anybody knowing about it on the other team. Yeah, it seems kind of suspect. And when we got into this hotel room, when we came back from what we were doing earlier, I was surprised to see MSNBC was on the TV. And John Brennan was there, because he's very credible. John Brennan, he never lies. And so they had him talking to Jen Socky. And this is what he says. It's completely unbelievable that this happened, though. It's been all matter of malfeasance or something. Of course, malfeasance by all these other actors who are not their friends in the Israeli government. But of course, there's another theory of that, which is that they allowed it to happen. What the alternative theory that floats around in no shortage of circles is that, well, this is something that Israel has wanted to do for some period of time. They allowed it to happen, or somehow facilitated it. I understand that you represent an organization, even if we tried to say you're not acting in that capacity today, we could try to do that. You can't help but represent an organization, I know. So I won't drag you too far into the butt here. We could change the subject, but it seems very suspicious to me. And I think that you share my concerns to some extent there. It's absolute nonsense. When I woke up this morning, I've been because of the jet lag. I've been struggling to sleep the right hours. I feel tired at five, six o'clock in the evening. And if I go to bed at eight or nine o'clock by three in the morning, I'm wide awake, but half stupid. So I took this sleeping pill and when I woke up, I woke up all out of it. And for that brief moment, while you're still under the influence of the sleeping agent, maybe it sounded believable, but as soon as you had your coffee, I imagine. So I was fiddling with the TV, and I couldn't find Fox. And I landed up on MSNBC. And I had the TV playing, and I was on my phone. So on the one hand, I'm getting the MSNBC narrative. On the other hand, I'm on Twitter, Lord Bibo and company, and on telegram, Slavion Grat. So I was getting that spectrum of information simultaneously from three, four o'clock this morning. And it's just phenomenal how the one message is so, it's so homogenous between everybody, between Fox, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, the whole lot. They're all saying exactly the same thing in almost the same words. And then you've got Lord Bibo, whoever, Slavion Grat, presenting hard evidence of something different. It's all video, it's all original footage, it's uncensored, it's candid. You'd have to be mentally retarded to believe that this thing just happened out of the blue. Nobody knew that it was coming. It reminds me of the dancing Israelis on 9-1-1. Not to mention the Israeli students and the art installation in the run-up to 9-1-1 in the weeks prior. Leave that aside. 95% of the conspiracy theory around 9-1-1 aside. And let's just talk about the dancing Israelis. Who went on Israeli television, eventually, and said, yes, we are Mossad agents. Yes, we were there to record it. Yes, we knew it was going to happen. I vaguely remember the video you're talking about. I think they denied being Mossad agents, but they admit that what I thought was funny about it was that they said, well, we're not Mossad agents, but we were acting on behalf of the Israeli government in some other capacity that was somehow adjacent to Mossad or something. And they took so much offense at being called Mossad agents while confessing this connection to their intelligence agency nonetheless. Exactly. I'm over simplifying it. But anybody who doubts the veracity or the integrity of what I'm saying can go and have a look for themselves. You might have a better recollection of it than me, even. I'm not going into question. But I admit that what I'm saying is when you take the 1,000 pounds of potatoes and distill them down to vodka, whether it's this vodka or that vodka, you're getting, it's vodka. The long and short of it was that these guys as near as dammit is to hell, admitted that they were agents of the state of Israel acting in a foreign capacity. There's one entity that does that. That's Mossad. Yes. They admitted they were agents, agents of what the Department of Water affairs? Do me a favor. Right. And the warning that went out to Israeli citizens, the previous day on Indiegogo, stay away from Lover Manhattan or Midtown Manhattan, whatever it was. I don't remember the thing, but your viewers can look it up. There is no question that the state of Israel, while always looking out for the interests of its citizens, is nonetheless willing to sacrifice a few along the way. Yes. And it just seems to me that this thing, this Israel thing is a pantomone. There's a price that is being paid in blood by Israeli citizens, but you will never convince me. If I live to be a thousand years old in you two, you will never convince me that this is what they're presenting to us. The mainstream media is all saying exactly the same thing, and then you've got the conservative media saying something slightly different, but backing up its message with hard evidence, with videos, with you name it. And it stinks. It stinks right from the head. Well, you know, the big joke is that to the extent that there's any difference of opinion between Fox and MSNBC right now. Fox is hammering home the narrative that the Biden administration freed up some resources for a round in some way, and it's trying to blame this on the Biden administration. But everybody is otherwise in lockstep. There's no, there's not a dime's worth a space between them. And that is always very conspicuous. Whenever there's bipartisan agreement on things in the United States, you know that you know something's a foul. You know, and so I had to certainly an interesting thing. You know, you mentioned Twitter. X, it's X now X is a completely different thing. I'm not banned from X. I've been banned from Twitter a couple of times. And so I'm on X now talk radio day. And I thought it was interesting, you know, Elon Musk, he tried to say that this is going to be a free speech platform. It's not. I've already been banned from Twitter under Elon Musk's tutelage. But it is substantially freer than it used to be. You know, when I went on to Twitter this morning, I saw Zionism trending. And you know, there was critical views of Israel being discussed in the in the course of this. Do you have you noticed? Do you, you mentioned that you went on Twitter this morning. I don't know how much you use the platform. Do you have you noticed much of a difference since Elon Musk took it over? No, because I've had an account for years, but seldom if you've ever used it. As in, I've maybe made a heart. And I suck a number out of my thumb 15 posts a year. Okay. And it's only recently in perhaps the past six weeks that I've become meaningfully active on on Twitter. And nearly everything that I do is just a matter of reposting. We can close that window if you like. I think I think I think what I did with the curtain will do. Okay. That light was. We're not very, I am going to close that window. Yeah, 100%. I'll just pretzel while you. We're not very big on the Zionism thing. It's a subject that we tend to keep away from as an organization, which is not to say that it's absolutely for Britain, because there's some things that are clearly egregious. You know, it's it's egregious that the. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a. You know, the Israel matters and egregious thing. And I think it brings us to what I think is worth mentioning to you is that. We, St. London's are here in the USA at the moment. To talk about what we call the crisis of Christendom. Yeah. Not about farm murders in South Africa or the failure of the electricity in South Africa or. The African National Congress has proposed. A granting of water rights by race. Is to talk about the general malaise of the West about LGBTQ about the COVID-19 pandemic about the the clutch shots. About the demise of the West and you know the spectacular fall of the neo-Roman empire in the form of the United States of America. The economic crisis in Germany and in that larger conversation. Bricks is a very big thing. You know, the the bricks was founded in 2009 in 2010. Brazil, Russia, India, China. Admitted South Africa as the fifth member. So bricks is 13 14 15 years old. And now just a few months ago they admitted. Argentina, Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Iran, which brings it to 11. That's longer than the LGBTP. The thing of that is that it really is going to create a shift in the balance of power in the world. Which is not to say for instance this is like an arbitrary or almost random example. That the US dollar is going to collapse overnight. Nobody is suggesting that. But what is going to happen and has already started happening is that trade between countries, between those 11 members. It's being conducted without the US dollar. And we can talk lots more about it but I'll come back to our point. And I wonder if what's happening in Israel now is not somehow connected to that. In the same way that the Ukraine war is connected to bricks or is connected to this general shift in the polls. In the polls of power eastward. I don't know. I just get the feeling that what's happened in Israel, what's going on on the television right now is a pantomime. It's scripted. It's meant to contribute to a larger narrative. So I think I see the direction that you're you're taking this. So there's a there's a there's a coming shift in the world order one way or the other. I think is a fair thing to assess. And you know, yeah, the the world's not going to switch off the US dollar overnight. But this has been going on for a long time already that you know, people are sort of getting sick of the abuse of the exorbitant privilege and saying to themselves, you know, how are we going to get out from under this problem? I think is something that a lot of sensible world leaders are sort of coming to the conclusion of is that, you know, you have basically a a fractured dis united United States with the democratic government that that shifts wildly in ideology from one election to the next. And and you now you're getting to a point where the two parties are starting to look like they're playing for keeps that ones trying to shut the other out in a permanent fashion, basically through immigration. And the other side getting wise to that is creating instability and then everybody's sort of like it seems like everybody's fighting over something that's about to just explode essentially. And the reasonable world leaders like, OK, those guys can't be in charge anymore. And I think that you know, that doesn't sit entirely well with me as an American, right? I mean, I, I don't like a lot of the things that the US government is doing. But I like to think of my country as a force for good in the world. And I think that there has been some of that. And but at the same time, you know, I understand that, you know, there are sensible people who are like they can't, they can't be allowed to run the show anymore. And I become sympathetic to sort of the concept of the multipolar world order because it seems, it seems like that's a, there's a check on power at that point, right? You know, if you have this situation where the United States is the unchecked ruler of the world and can, you know, turn on and off people's ability to use money. And you know, that leads to pathologies within the people who, you know, wield that power and the people who are having that power wielded against them, you know, when they grow in number enough, you know, it gets to a point where you're, you're not walling those people off anymore. Now you're walling yourself off. You're actually reducing your capacity to exercise the power at some point, you know. I think that there's definitely, there's a shift in the world order that's happening. You describe it as it, it seems, you see bricks as playing a major part in it. And now there's so many people in it that it almost, so many countries involved in it. It almost doesn't make sense to use the acronym anymore. And there's, and there's a lot, a lot happening on the world stage that sort of moves in that direction, I guess. It's huge, it's huge Christopher. It can't be overstated. There's, there's no, they know spectacular adjectives and adverbs that can fully do justice to what's happening. You know, without, without overdoing this, the perhaps the best illustration I can provide is, if you think of business, you can have a business doing a hundred million dollars a year. And it might be published in the local newspaper and you're, you're the sole owner and you come from that town. Everybody knows who you are. And so everybody at church, jealously remarks on, on how you're doing a hundred million dollars a year. And you get some people who in their naivety believe that that means that you're putting a hundred million dollars a year in your own pocket. You get other people who believe that, well, it must be 50 million dollars a year going to you. They're, they're, they're these different understandings of what is revenue, what is income, what is gross profit, what is net profit and so on. And then you get the three or four guys at church who have their own businesses and what they know that that means is you're doing very well. But if you're revenue drops to 90 million dollars a year, you'll be 100% utterly bankrupt. Yeah. And the USA is in that position and, and by implication, the dollar, we shouldn't confuse things too much or conflict things too much. But the USA has a $33 trillion debt. Today is Sunday. Two Mondays ago. The, the, the US debt was announced to be $33.1 trillion. Ten days later, it was $33.5 trillion. It had gone up by roughly $400 billion in ten days. Yeah. So this is this fantastic slippery slope and the long come bricks and they start selling their dollars and they start trading in their own currency. So on the one hand, they're undermining the value of the dollar by selling it, selling US denominated, dollar denominated debt, bonds. Yeah. Getting rid of them, which undermines their value, at least they perceive value in the eyes of the world. And then to make matters worse, they start trading oil in their own currencies. And so we, St. London's, my boss first and foremost, would say nobody is suggesting that this is the imminent end of the dollar the day after tomorrow. But it is going to take a pounding. It is going to take a pounding like a business that is spectacular one day and the next day is not doing so well. And it's a big, big thing because it's going to lead to drastic action, which has always been the case throughout all of history when nation states or cities or sovereign states and monarchies, democracies, republics, the full gamut are threatened by tensions internal or external. They take drastic action. And I wonder if we're not seeing that now. I wonder if we're not seeing the US, Israel, Nexus reacting just as the US NATO EU nexus is reacting dramatically in regards to Ukraine. And I'm blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline. That was one of the most radical acts of destruction of terrorism. Well, terrorism maybe is an exaggeration, but it was unimaginably drastic to blow up those pipelines, cause that much environmental damage in the short span before the stopcoks were turned. Agreed. I just can't help wondering if the US and Israel are not up to something. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure how the, what is it that you think would be the world order implications of Israel going to war in Palestine? I mean, it seems to me that that is with the exception that Israel, you know, manipulates world affairs to drum up sympathy for themselves at all times. What is it that you think or is there something more specific that you think is a, it has a greater impact on the world order than the regional conflict? If it draws, it is already drawn in Iran. Yeah. If it draws in Saudi Arabia too. And those countries are preoccupied by a conflict in the Middle East. That dense, the normal run of the mill affairs of those nations, relationships with Russia and China and, and, and American Samoa and Tonga and Fiji, you name it. It just changes things. Right. And I can't be sure. I can't give you an ideal illustration, but I just can't help wondering if there's not something happening here that we're kind of missing. Let me put it to you this way. This goes back to 1991. It goes back to the USA giving a solemn promise in writing and verbally many times that NATO would not expand one inch eastward. It goes back to all sorts of things. And now that the war is on, is NATO directly benefiting? No, but they've, they have managed to draw Russia into a conflict that is in, not in Russia's best interests, for instance. I don't know. I don't know. Well, the Ukraine thing makes perfect sense to me. Right. So, you know, the, the, in Ukraine, the EU is basically trying to push, well, they're trying to push NATO into there. But I mean, it begins with this attempt to create a free trade agreement. Right. That they're trying to set up this trade agreement. It's not in Russia's best interest. The Ukrainian people, they elect Victor Yanukovych. Victoria Nulin, she comes in and, you know, violently overthrows the government of Victor Yanukovych and does that with the help of a bunch of fanatics in Ukraine, right. And they've been trying to, you know, cover up the mess of their little coup ever since. And that obviously doesn't sit very well with Vladimir Putin. The NATO alliance is very concerned that, you know, Russia can challenge them on the world stage and they want to prevent that from being the case. And so, you know, keep Russia bogged down on a quagmire and deplete their militaries, it means by which to prevent that. You know, and unfortunately, I think that that's in the best case scenario, that's a dramatic miscalculation, of course, because what they're actually doing them is pushing Russia into the arms of China. Right. And so, you know, the United States foreign policy since the Nixon administration, you know, formed by Nixon and Kissinger had been, you know, to keep to make sure that Russia and China never had closer relationships with each other than either had with the United States. That was the policy of the United States up until the administration of Joe Biden. And, you know, the hostility towards Russia is pushing them into the arms of China. And of course, if, you know, Russia and China and a military alliance against the United States, the only thing that prevents that war from happening is that it's, it's too costly for both sides that, you know, even, it's hard to imagine that conflict having a winner in any true sense. But, you know, there's a reasonable likelihood that those two countries could do more damage to the United States than the United States could survive. And so, you know, that seems to be a legitimate threat. And that would certainly change the world order no doubt. You know, I don't think that it would have Russia at the top of it. It would most likely have China. And, you know, I, there's a lot of things that I actually like about Russia. I admire a lot of things about Vladimir Putin specifically. I have more cautious feelings about the Chinese say. Oops. And so, the, what do you think? I mean, so you described this as the crisis of Christendom. And I mean, is there's a, do you believe that this is a, there's a religious component to this then? Yes, I think that there is a religious component, Christopher, without evangelizing anybody, without trying to get any of your listeners and viewers to think the way that I do. It doesn't matter whether you and I are Hindus or not. If a Hindu man goes to a temple tomorrow. If some Hindu guy goes into a temple, says his prayers, you know, talks to his gods. It doesn't matter whether you and I agree. He did it for his own motives. And if you consider, for instance, the, the philosophy, the very, very strong philosophy in certain circles, in, in Talmudic circles, that there are three years left. Long story. The history of the world is divided up into 28 stages. That those 28 stages can be identified in chapter three of the book of Ecclesiastes. The, the, the, the lifespan of the world is 6000 years. That 6000 divided by 28 is 214.28 years. Years that the second to last of those stages, the time that we're in now, began with Napoleon's invasion of Russia in 1812. That this is the time for war. And that therefore World War III can only be instigated by the year 2026. So that there's this, there's this godly ordained series of phases of history. It might be, I think that, I think that what you have said will not be clear to most listeners. So it might be worth picking apart a little bit. Okay. Your, your discussing a, a, an interpretation of the Old Testament of the Bible, wherein the, the entirety of the existence of the world is 6000 years. Not the world is currently 6000 years old, but the world is going to end. And after the world began the world between the world beginning and the world ending is a period of 6000 years. Is this what you're describing is the interpretation of it? And in that timeline, how far, how many years are we supposed to be now? We are at the end of the 27th of 28 phases of 214 years each. Okay. So there's 28 phases to this 6000 year period. And we are at the end of the 27th period. Okay. Which would leave us with roughly 214 years of existence is the, is the theory that you're describing. And so, and not that it's necessarily pertinent to the outcome. But I mean, are you describing this as what you believe to be the case? Or this is something that you're saying someone else believes and as a consequence of that, it's impacting world affairs. Yeah. Okay. I'm saying that we don't have to believe this. Right. I don't as a, as a professing Christian, as a conservative Christian in the, you know, purely European derived Western traditions of mankind. But the greatest forces in the world, the greatest banking forces, the greatest actors in world history, the people who impose narratives of COVID-19, who impose narratives of vaccinations that they knew in advance would kill people. When, when the reason I try to clarify it, the, the number 6000 stands out. People who mock Christianity in the United States, one of the things they say about it is that, oh, you believe the world is only 6000 years old, but look at my dinosaurs or whatever, you know, this type of thing. So what you're describing is not a Christian belief system. This is, this is something else. Yeah. Okay. This is a Talmudic thing. Yeah. This is, this is the notion that they who control the world in human terms. Yeah. Must impose. They must enforce. They must implement World War three within the next three years. Okay. And they are the same people who brought us COVID-19. They're the same people who, who, who, who brought us pre-ordained financial crises since forever. They're the same people. Literally, who's, who brought us the vaccine and told us it's good for you when they knew. And it's now absolutely revealed that in the tests of the vaccine in advance of the disease, even existing supposedly, for instance, for instance, most of the women who, who were tested or had the vaccine tested on them, either gave still birth or premature pregnancies or spontaneous pregnancy. Or spontaneous abortion or children that, you know, were born with severe impairments and, and what have you. I'm just saying those same people are saying we've got to get it on voice. We've got three years left. And your viewers can look this up. It requires a little bit of effort, but you can find people on YouTube. No less talking about this. This is what we have left. We have three years left of this key 214 year period. In which we can instigate World War Three. Because the period after that from 2026 onwards is a time for peace. So our God won't bless us in this World War Three thing. And all I'm saying without being too have streused and, you know, getting mired in all sort of crazy stuff is, I look at what's happening in the world. And I can't help but think to myself, golly G is this not part of that plan. Golly G there was an invasion of Israel and nobody knew a thing about it. Golly G there's a war in Ukraine where the one side is supposedly neo-Nazi, but it's run by four Jews. It's not an anti-Jewish thing. It's not an anti-Semitic thing. For all I can't. They could be James from northeast India walking to temple with a brum in front of them sweeping the floor just in case there's a microscopic bacteria that they might stand on and kill. And therefore be condemned. You know, the Jane religion is the most extreme of these things. Condemn to endless cycles of being born and reborn as parasites, as nets, as mosquitoes, as you know, would larvae or whatever. It doesn't matter who they are. Jewish, no, it doesn't matter. What matters is that there's this narrative. There's this thing going on. And you can't help but wondering is this not deliberate because if you look at it in the simplest terms, it doesn't make any sense. How did four Jews convince a nation of 20 million supposedly Nazis to go to war? Well, I don't think the claim is that the entirety of the citizenry of Ukraine is Nazis, but it is telling, I would say, that you have strange bedfellows of that sort. You know, that these people are clearly in bed with one another and you know, that that tells you that we're not being, it's not being explained to us what their intent is, right? When you see Jews and Nazis are working together to fight to fight Christian sloths, it doesn't make a great deal of sense that that's happening, right? Whatever they are doing, it's not what they're telling us they're doing. They're not defending democracy when they're overthrowing Viktor Yanukovych for sure. And so, you know, they're definitely doing something else. Now, you know, this dividing the 6,000 year entirety of the history of the world into 28 periods, you say, this is from the book of Ecclesiastes, is this, I don't know if this is something that we could encapsulate, you know, within the time frame of the show, but are you able to do that? Because I'm not familiar with the theory before you begin to explain it to me before yesterday's show. Can you tell me more about that? Well, you know, the song by the birds, time, I can't sing to save my life, but the song about, there's a season for this, there's a season for that, right? That comes from chapter 3 of the book of Ecclesiastes, which begins with the time to live in a time to die, and goes on a time to reap a time to sow, a time to gather up stones, a time to scatter them away. And the first 26 times are times to do something. So you as mankind should be doing these things. There's a kind of a divinely ordained zeitgeist. The last two times are times four, time four piece time four wall, which implies that it's going to happen with or without you. Right. So I understand this when you explained it the other day before we went on the air. So when the Bible goes into this, there's a time to do this, there's a time to do that, and then there's a time, you say four or a, I think, or... Okay. So, and there's, there's actually 28 times that are listed in this thing, and the last two are times of or four when the other 26 are time two. Yes. Okay. And so from these times that are described in this passage of the Bible, we're, we're deriving these 28 sections, and you say the last two are not times to do a thing, but these are times when such a thing will be occurring. Yes. Okay. And there's a time four or a time of war and a time of peace. Yes. And we're in the time of war, and the next time is the time of peace. Yes. Well, we can look forward to the future then in theory, but that there's interested parties that are mean to get all the war they can in. Yes. Okay. That's an interesting theory. And so, how prevalent do you believe this, this viewpoint to be? I think it's absolutely prevalent among those people who are adherents of their philosophy, people who believe that the Talmud absolutely spells out everything that is worth knowing. And they are the people that seem to have the greatest influence upon the events of the day. I just think I just find it absolutely fascinating that what we're witnessing in the world, these great events that are incomparable to any precedent in history, correspond to that philosophy. You know, I guess it would be difficult to go all throughout history and try to make comparisons. I think that there are those who would say that at all times throughout history, people are saying, oh my god, this is completely different than every other time. And then a few years later we're saying that history repeats itself, right? We look back on history and we say, oh, well, that was that thing that happened all those other times. You think that what's going on right now is uniquely different from other wars? Yes, I think that, you know, if you consider, you and I were meant to go to the Mount Washington hotel in the village of Britain this morning and I messed up the time. So we couldn't go because it would have led us to running late for this interview. But in the Britain woods negotiations, there were, I believe, 44 nations involved. Okay. That was a world war. But there were only 44 nations involved in the negotiations. All of the allied nations were involved. And it was only 44. Similarly, I don't think that anything in history apart from the volcanic eruptions of 535 AD have been as universal in their impact as the COVID-19 lockdowns. So I would defend the point that what you say is generally correct. We always think that we're unique and special in what's happened to me. My dad doesn't know what he's doing. He never experienced puberty. He never experienced, you know, that's funny. But I think that their exceptions. Yeah, I think that COVID is certainly one of them. We can't cause no denying the lockdowns of COVID. That whole thing. And then separately, the global vaccination. Yeah. We know that the excess deaths in Germany based upon German government figures of 24%. We know that in the UK, the 21%. I don't know what they are in the USA. When you say the access deaths is the number of people who died during a given period of time compared to some other comparable period of time. They call it the five year moving average. So excess anything, excess drinking in a year, excess marriages, you name it is measured against the previous five year, a moving average. So it always moves one year on. Yeah. So in this year, we're comparing to 2221, 2019, 18. Next year will be comparing to 2322 down to 19. Right. And we know that those excess deaths are among vaccinated people. This has been well established. And I would say that these events can't be compared to anything in history. So I'm an individual. I just want to, and I'm not going. I'm not in a position to dispute your point. I'm not disputing your point. I'm just trying to understand it. The, I think that some people would look at excess deaths during the time frame that you're talking about. And they would attribute it to the virus. And you're attributing it to the vaccine. You're saying that the excess deaths appear to be appearing in the vaccinated population. And you're attributing them to the vaccines specifically. Yeah. From from the beginning of 2021 when the vaccines were rolled out. Okay. Well, that's actually an interesting point. So the, there's the in the period when we expect the most deaths from COVID-19 is actually 2020. But in 2021, you know, now these were rolling out the vaccines. And there's, and there's an excess death rolling total that is among the vaccinated population after the vaccine starts being rolled out. Okay. Okay. Ironically in the year 2020, there was a decline in illness and death. When we were all dying of COVID-19, in fact, it was less than in previous years. This is well recorded. I can, I can refer people who are skeptical to the following resources. Stube Peters dot com. I believe it is. And here's an excellent video at present that's appeared recently called final days. To Dr. Brian Ardus, he can be easily Googled Dr. Lee Merritt, particularly, but not only on rumble. She's the former, or a former head of the United States, surgeons and doctors association. What's another very good watch the water number two. These are things that people can Google search and watch and just so you understand my, my experience is I'm in prison while this goes on, right? So my information during this time came from the Wall Street Journal. And the most, the most alternative news that I got was from, you know, conservative talk radio on FCC regulated airways. And so my, my information was limited the time. So I'm not familiar with everything you're talking about. And so thus I ask for the clarifications, but I appreciate it. Another brilliant resource is Dr. John Coleman on YouTube. He is a PhD nurse. He's not a, he's not a doctor. He's a PhD doctor doctor it in the nursing profession. Okay. Another brilliant one is Dr. Chris Martinson, a double PhD in epidemiology and virology also on YouTube. Another very, very, very, very good resource is Russell brand. He reported along with those other two brilliantly on all of this stuff through 2020, 2021, 22 and now 23. My point being that the world was changed by these unbelievably huge events. Yeah. And we know now that the narratives were utterly false from the alpha to the omega. There was no truth in the metal. And that they, that they cracked the Western world. And I perhaps clumsily, perhaps not articulately or eloquently put it to you that I can't help wondering if the Ukraine and today it's very early days. It's only 24 hours. Okay. Find no problem. But if the Ukraine and Israel narratives that we're examining are not parts of that fantastic bullshit story. Well, they are, they are interacting with it at the very least, right? And so the, I think, I think it's very clear. Obviously, as you say, we're very early on in the Israel story. You know, I think that it's, it's much more established. You could, I think that I think it's easier to tie Ukraine and the COVID thing together. Right. This is essentially, these are tied into attempts to displace Donald Trump as president of the United States. Right. So Donald Trump has this call with Zelensky. The call is leaked to the New York Times by, you know, the intelligence agencies essentially. And you find out that there's this lieutenant Colonel Vindman who's a, who is a Ukrainian who is offered the position of Secretary of Defense in a Ukraine and he's working in the US military. And now he's whistleblower testifying against the president of the United States and Congress. Right. The, the, it's very clear that the, the, the deep state, if you will, the Democrat party elements within the Republican party that don't have the best interest of the United States at heart were using the COVID phenomenon to create as much misery and havoc as they possibly could in this country. As a means to get people to the polls so that they would vote for something other than what they have. Right. To, to among other things, of course, displaced Donald Trump. And despite all of that, they still had to cheat. Can I ask you a question? Please do. And if it doesn't work for you, that's okay. But I'm genuinely curious having spent a few days on and off in your company and gotten to know you a little bit. What is your instinctive reaction to Tucker Carlson's interview by Adam Corolla of three or four weeks ago. And I'm going to, I'm going to give a little synopsis to provide context for the listeners. Tucker Carlson conducted an interview with Donald Trump. About four days later, he, Tucker Carlson was interviewed by Adam Corolla. And in that interview, he forecast that within one year, the USA would be involved in a hot war with Russia with boots on the ground in Ukraine. That Donald Trump would be assassinated and that a crisis would be created in the USA, which would allow the powers that be to declare emergency law. I might be using the wrong term, but whatever is the right term, that would permit the elections of 2024 to be abrogated if that's the right word. It may not be, but to be legally rescinded, not held. So that the Biden coterie, the Biden team could remain in power for however long, at least another four years. And that was in his spectacular session. Donald Trump is going to be killed. The US goes to war with boots on the ground in Eastern Europe. A crisis permits them to stay in power for the foreseeable future. And there was one other thing I wanted to mention. Just give me a half a second. I'll take your time. Take your time. Take your time. Oh, dear. It's it's it's it's it's it's it leads me. But I'm I'm very keen to hear your response to that because it's the was made four or five days after he was interviewed by Donald Trump, which suggests I'm going to end with this, which suggests I got the feeling that he was saying certain things to Adam Karola. That were the product of his off camera. Conversations with Donald Trump. I will never know, but I just got that feeling. So I think I'll try to respond to this in a couple of parts here. I so I haven't seen the interview that you're talking about for one, but I'll respond to the way that you describe it. You know, I I think that when Tucker Carlson is fired from Fox News and he goes over to Twitter, I think that he's given an incentive to say more in sendy airy things. Okay. He's for one freed up to say more in sendy airy things that he wanted to say before and and cannot say on Fox News. But I think on top of that that there's an additional incentive to say in sendy airy things such as in such a fashion as to draw attention to himself that may or may not reflect his real views. And I think that we've seen that, you know, Tucker Carlson has variously at times expressed a degree of contempt for what are described as conspiracy theorists. You know, he's talked about Alex Jones in you shouldn't censor this crackpot. I think. And I tend to agree with that sentiment. You shouldn't censor this crackpot Alex Jones. I tend to think that that's a reasonable statement for a man to make. But, you know, I have a sense that Tucker does sense that there is cataclysm coming and that's an accurate prediction, but that his assertions might be exaggerated. I think that that's I think that that's my assessment of what you've described. His interview with Donald Trump, which I did see was a softball fluff thing, right? He's not, you know, it was conspicuous. How little public conversation there has been between Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson. And that my assessment of that was Tucker Carlson. For the sake of his own journalistic integrity did not want to interview Donald Trump because he would have to be critical of him to do that. And he didn't want to sabotage his presidency because he understood that the alternative was Democrat rule. Right. And now he's like, I am that concerned about Democrat rule that I'll forfeit the journalistic integrity and do a fluff interview with the president. Okay. You know, if you see like interviews with Sean Hannity and Donald Trump, it's not an interview. It's giving Donald Trump the Hannity show for an hour. Well, Donald Trump says all the things of how great he is. And, you know, I'm a Republican. I'm a partisan. And I want to see the Republican Party defeat the Democrat Party. And I'm all for a degree of propaganda. I think that it would be nice if our propaganda was a little bit more credible, frankly. And so, you know, that's my initial reaction to that. To the claim, you know, they're going to do everything they can to stop Donald Trump from doing it. And so, you know, if he's a stop Donald Trump from being president, and if they have to kill him to do that, they they will make the attempt if the opportunity presents. And Donald Trump is clearly in a position now where his secret service detail is not his protector. Right. He can't flee to Russia because he's protected by the secret service. Right. He's facing all of these indictments. And if he attempts to flee the country, he's got a bunch of cops with AR-15s around him. So, you know, it's a question of how well protected Donald Trump is, I'd say. You know, does that mean that they can they can go send some whack job to put a bullet in him this, this I have my doubts. But, you know, the U.S. people that feel that strongly about Donald Trump that they'll trade their life for his. That is real. And some of those people could very well be in a position to get near Donald Trump for all I know. And so, you know, the prospect of Donald Trump being assassinated, I would say is not something that one can easily rule out for sure. You know, putting off the election, I think, you know, the Democrat party in the United States says that you're not allowed to question the results of the election. But it seems very clear to me that they do not believe the election was real. Because if they believed the election was real, they would try to say popular things instead of will turn your kids transgender. Okay. If you want to win an election, you don't say that we're going to drug and mutilate your children. You don't do that if you want to win a popularity contest, actually. Right. That's something that you do when you don't think you have anything to fear from the electorate. And so the Democrat party doesn't think that they have anything to fear from elections because they don't think that what the voters say matter so they can do whatever they want. That's what I think they're their patterns of behavior demonstrating. So it seems to me more likely that they'll try to do again whatever they did in 2020 that there will be something that purports to be an election after which, you know, they will make sure that the outcome favors them. That's that would be my prediction for it. Now I will couch that to say that, you know, the response that people then have to that is, you know, well, then why should I vote? And I would say that, well, yes, you should absolutely do that because you want to make sure that they have to put a lot of effort into making the election. And if you make it if you make it easy for them, you know, voting is free. It doesn't cost you anything. If I'm not saying that, you know, you know, that you should dedicate your full time to electing somebody necessarily. Maybe you should maybe you shouldn't, but, you know, voting is free. Voting doesn't cost you anything other than showing up at some place local to you. And if they don't have to try very hard to cheat, then, you know, then the likelihood of them getting caught cheating is reduced dramatically. And so, you know, it's it's worth it to make them put in the effort. I think that it seems to me that the overwhelming turnout in 2020 presented substantial challenges to the people who stole the election. That's why you have this stupid water main break in the middle of the night and all these places are have, whoa, whoops, oh, we've all got to stop counting the votes. We've got to, you know, I was listening to this thing from a jail cell, you know, and I was and as soon as I started hearing like all of these problems started happening, you know, like, you know, in the lead up to it, they're saying, oh, well, you know, because of COVID-19 and racism, we've got to go send ballots out indiscriminately. And we've got to stop checking signatures. I'm like, you people are acting like a lawyer with a guilty client. You're just trying to raise reasonable doubt, you know, they did everything they could to make the election not credible. And I think that what I thought about it before the election was that they were they were setting it up so that when they lost, they would be able to question the legitimacy of Donald Trump's presidency. That's what I thought they were doing before. And then when they started with this nonsense that, oh, well, you know, we've got to stop counting the votes because there's a water main break or this or that, this thing. I'm like, they're stealing the damn thing and then sure enough they did. And so that's what they, that's what I think they did in 2020. I think they mean to do it again because I don't think that they believe that they can continue to govern if they just call off the elections. You know, they're whole entire thing. They're entire premise for everything they do out in the world is democracy, democracy, democracy. And I'm skeptical of democracy in the extreme. What, what, what, what about any of human experience leads us to believe that the more people who give us input the wise of the decisions we make is ridiculous. It's preposterous. So, but their entire theory of the world, the entire claim of the legitimacy of their rule is democratic elections. And if they forfeit that, you know, it won't be, it won't be, it won't be two weeks before the shooting starts. I don't think. And not because I'll be encouraging it, you know, I'm just, it's a, it's a simple observation that if, if the entire claim to your rule is, is democracy. And then you're like, yeah, we're going to do away with the democracy thing. And it's the iron fist, you know, I don't know how long they think they can do that, but it won't be long. Yeah, that's, that's interesting to me because I believe that I represent the impressions of much of the world when I say that we, much of the world. We're astonished by the complacency of the citizenry of the United States. In reaction to the prima facie evidence prima facie is people usually pronounce it evidence of a stolen election. Yeah. And similarly, the similar complacency in response to the prima facie evidence of a fallacy in the COVID-19 narrative and the prima facie evidence of deleteriousness of harmfulness in the vaccination. In South Africa, there were two reports released through, I'm thinking now of South Africans who might watch this. And if you send me the link, I'll spread it quite widely. Marulla media. So I'm talking to South Africans now that's hopelessly irrelevant to anybody else. But Marulla media reported on two global studies of resistance to the vaccination. And the one study said that, off-ricaners, the larger of the two broad linguistic groups within, within white South Africa, were the most dead opposed to the vaccinations at 32%. So there was like absolutely utterly a swear on a thousand whatever I'm opposed. Then there was a little bit less opposed. You know, there were about five or six categories. And in the highest category worldwide was was off-ricaners. The other study revealed 42%. And I would say that the uptake rate among off-ricaners was, so in theory, something like 68 or 58%. Of off-ricaners might have taken the vaccine, received the vaccination. I would say that the uptake rate was closer to 30%. So I'm not saying we're right and everybody else is an asshole kind of thing. I am saying that if you talk about if they rob you of your democracy, people will stand up and resist. I'm being perhaps a little bit antagonistic. That's fine. We do antagonistic on the radical agenda from time to time. Yeah, I'm saying really? Do you think so? If the vaccinations that are murdering people by the millions, demonstrably, demonstrably, the best work in the world is coming out of the USA. We know that it is mass murder and we know that they knew about it in advance. So it's not mass killing. It's murder. If we know that the COVID-19 thing was a fiction or a bet in a fish market, do me a favor because I'm a nice person at a hawk. Be nice to me. A bet in a fish market. Do we know all of that? So let me, the way I'll respond to what you're saying is that I'm not sure that the way that you're describing the knowledge of the vaccine and the nature of the virus is I don't sure there's that consensus of it in the United States. And so, you know, I'm in a position where I was exposed entirely to mainstream media throughout the entire pandemic. I did not have access to any alternative media. And so anybody who's watching Fox News, MSNBC, even listening to conservative talk radio, even late night conservative talk radio or like what some people would describe as crackpot talk radio is not for the most part saying. The virus is a bio weapon. The vaccines are going to kill us. That's not you didn't hear that. I think that you needed internet access to come across that now, you know, even amongst prisoners. I mean, you know, they tried to they tried to get us to take that vaccine in so many different ways. And I was like, I'm not taking that Democrat poison. You know, I'm like, you know, my view on the vaccine, at least in the beginning was was relatively nuanced. I mean, you know, my parents, you know, I'm about to be 43 years old. And like most white people, my parents are older than me. And I was and I was sincerely concerned for their their well being. I'm seeing all this stuff happen on the news. And, you know, I talked to my mother about, you know, whether or not they should take it. And in the early stages of it, I said, you know, yeah, go take the vaccine. It seems to me with your health situation, this virus poses a serious threat to you. And if this vaccine can reduce that risk in some way, I'd rather you not be dead when I come home, you know, and I took that very seriously. By the time they started with all the booster nonsense. What I think what I think there's consensus of at least on the right is that they kept on pushing the vaccines after the vaccines were no longer effective. And there and and their risks were questionable. Okay. That's that's that's a pretty acceptable mainstream narrative on the center right at this point that the the Democrat party was and the deep state whatever forces we want to describe them as was pushing the vaccines really as some people believe it's a way to enrich the pharmaceutical companies. Some people believe it's a some people believe it's a almost a religious ritual a a show your obedience to the regime thing. Okay. But there's not I don't think that a lot of sane people still believe that these vaccines are helping you. There's a bunch of people saying go get your booster, get your booster. And like all these people who were vaccine boosted are going on Twitter and saying, oh, I got I have COVID. It's a good thing. I got my booster. Otherwise, it'd be so much worse. It became this like it was a joke on the tech of Carlson show that every time some Democrat got sick, they'd go on Twitter and say, it's a good thing. I had my booster. And we were laughing about it me and Matt Hale every single time they did it, we were laughing because it's like a ransom note, you know, they all read the script. And so, you know, I think on the I think on the center right in United States today, there's a lot of skepticism about the vaccine. The idea that it was intended to kill them. You know, I don't think that there's there's certainly no consensus on that here, you know. And I, you know, it might be the case, you know, like I said, I'm just this is what I've managed to obtain from reading the Wall Street Journal and watching the Fox News Channel. And obviously those people are not going to tell me that the vaccines. A bio weapon, right. And so it might well be the case. And so when you the what I'm drawing the distinction to say is that if the Biden administration comes out and says, hey guys, you know, we can't do this election thing. We're just going to have to rule by force. Okay. Now how many people are going to start shooting? I would say probably not 3% of the population, you know, but I do think that you would have enough chaos in this country that the form of government would would not be able to continue to exist. Now it's possible that that's their intent. You see what I'm saying. So like it's actually a reasonable assessment that that might be the goal too. Okay. So, you know, there's a lot of people who conceive of the, you know, the left and the Democrats as fundamentally control freaks. They want to control every aspect of the human condition. And therefore they need the government. Right. But I mean, there was a recent controversy here in the United States Congress that there was a bill to propose a continuing resolution, a stopgap budget budget measure to prevent a government shutdown. Right. And what happened was this Democrat Jamal Bowman, this left wing fanatic went and pulled the fire alarm in the capital to delay the vote. It is to get the government shutdown, which is, you know, people were charged with serious crimes for that on January 6th, by the way. Okay. So, you know, this guy committed a felony to prevent a government to in order to try to accommodate a government shutdown when the when the compromise had been made between, you know, majorities of the parties. And so, you know, these people actually want to bring down the government of the United States is my theory. And part of the reason for that is obviously they have problems with its constitution. They don't like that first amendment thing. What's left of it? They don't like that second amendment thing. What's left of it? And so to bring down the government of the United States is things that members is a thing that members of the government as of current would very much like to do because they'll just say, okay, well, you know, yeah, like we had this constant. It didn't work. And so we're in power and we'll just we'll give you a new one, you know. And so that's a plausible theory to be, you know, the goal would be to fundamentally, you know, alter the form of government. Right. And so if they wanted to, if they, if they called off the election, that would be the end. You know, they've they've they've managed to chip away at the constitution gradually in many different ways. I think that that would be such a thing that, you know, they they'd fundamentally have to, you know, they'd be calling the whole thing off essentially now delaying the election. Hey, you know, I will do it in two weeks. We'll do it in two weeks. You know, that's what they did with the lockdowns, right. 14 15 days to slow the spread 30 days to slow the spread 45 days to slow the spread. This is how the lockdowns began. And so it's in the curve. Fatten the curve. That's it. Yes. We're going to flatten the curve. And then you're like, we're going to flatten the economy. We're going to flatten your birth rates. We're going to flatten your entire country in your way of life. You know, and eventually is what it, you know, it emerges that the that the aim here is. And so, you know, I think that I could I can imagine a few scenarios that that happened there. But it would be a very, it would be, it would not be a small matter for them to do say, you know, it would be, it would be pretty serious. And if they think that they're going to, if they think they've got the election in the bag and, you know, what, what do they care, you know, go ahead, go vote, you know, go, go vote, vote your hearts out, folks. Vote all you want. The flight plan don't change. I think is their attitude of it. And, you know, there's some evidence of that because of course, you know, by the time you get to the voting booth, all the just important decisions have actually been made, right. You know, the, I don't dispute you at all. But I can't help thinking to myself that I don't have the figures to hand. So be patient with me. But I read a very interesting analysis of the election, non results, what, what they should have been. This is perhaps a year and a half ago. So I'm going to just waffle vaguely. Okay. But this, this person gave a quite a persuasive argument of what the results should have been. In other words, how were the votes cost. And they suggested that the Donald Trump's actual support was so high and Joe Biden's so low that it was almost historical or was historical. And I can't help wondering if they're not afraid of a reiteration. You have a phrase for it in the USA. And I'm going to mess this up. But like a wippy fit. You know, that, that in four years ago, three years ago, the voting was, let's say, Donald Trump. 20 million at the risk of exaggerating Joe Biden, 50 million. And that the past three, four years have so crystallized that. So all of those 90 million people are still there. Some of the 50 million people have come over to the 90 million. They're seeing LGBTQ. They're seeing the support for the war in Ukraine. They're seeing the US 33 and a half trillion dollar debt. They're seeing the 16, 17, 18, 19, 20% inflation in the USA. They're seeing all of this and they're coming over to the, to the other side. And maybe I'm thinking now as you're talking that the powers that be are afraid that at the next election, they won't be able to come up with a means to overcome the likelihood of it being a 110 million, I'm exaggerating, I'm speaking childlike to it. 110 million versus 30 million vote that that is a crack that cannot be papered over. There's no wall in the world with such a crack that it's not noticeable. Yeah, I think that what you're describing is a plausible concern. Okay. So, you know, I think that the, the people who are saying you have to be banned from Twitter if you question the outcome of the election are not doing that because they feel secure in their positions. You see what I'm saying? If you question the outcome of the 2020 election, you know, you'll have, you'll have Antifa showing up at your house trying to stab you because all of a sudden they just love the president of the United States, right? I mean, it's like they're the militia of the Democrat party. And so like, you know, these, these people are not secure in their positions. They believe that they're under threat and they are, you know, it's hard to describe what they're feeling is paranoia because it's probably well warranted, right? And so after four years of what's been going on, you know, you can, you can almost believe the theory that, you know, people are not particularly well informed. They just, they Donald Trump is president. There's chaos in the streets, you know, they're, they're, you know, there's a plausible theory where they've had it with the chaos and they just want change, right? Well, after four years of more chaos, right? And you've got this guy up there who can't keep a thought in his head long enough to form a sentence. We're about to get into World War III. We're going to go to war with Russia and everything doubles in price. You know, the idea that they go to the polls and demand more of that is, is difficult to imagine, right? And so, you know, they want to make sure that Donald Trump is not on the ballot is, you know, the first part of the exercise and then should they fail to accomplish that? What do they have to do next, you know? And, and I don't think they're looking forward to that prospect quite clearly, you know, they're, they're trying everything they can. There was a theory in some circles that the goal was to help Donald Trump win the Republican primary because they thought that he would lose the general election. Yes. I don't think that they believe that. I don't think that that's a plausible theory actually because who the hell is voting for Joe Biden? Who's doing that? You know, and there's been some consternation in the Democrat Party, you know, who's going to go replace Joe Biden? But the only Democrat in the country less popular than Joe Biden is Kamala Harris. Yes. And Gavin Newsom is all lined up for the regime and they seem to have gotten him, you know, back in line. I don't know what they've got on him, but he's not challenging Joe Biden, it doesn't look like. And so, they're going to put Joe on the ballot. They're going to, they're going to put that guy there and they're going to try to, you know, weaken their at Bernays their way through this again. You know, but it was difficult to believe in 2020 that some guy who didn't leave the damn basement. You know, while his crackhead son is getting us into World War III, I mean, the idea that the idea that people want that is not, it's not a plausible theory. And I think that they, what they feared about Donald Trump more than anything else, there's a lot of people in my circles who say Donald Trump did nothing. And I'm like, you're out of your mind because he shattered the whole frame of reference that made the media credible. You know, people used to think that you watched CNN and CNN told you some proximate of what happened. People don't believe that now. And so like, if CNN comes out and says, oh, the election was legit, that doesn't tell anybody anything. That doesn't provide any information to the average citizen today. And so I think that they have a legitimate concern that, yeah, you're going to have a situation that maybe we can, maybe we can, maybe we can, maybe we can stuff the ballots, maybe we can control who counts the votes. Maybe we can do all of those things. But if everybody goes to work the next day and nobody knows anybody who voted for Joe Biden, we're going to have a crisis on our hands. Oh, yeah, you, it's interesting and it's thought provoking. And I said to you, listen to you talking, I can't help. But my thoughts wander. There are so many points within this conversation that are themselves enchanting or entrancing, you know, you become trans fixed by them. And we can move in any direction. You're not answering. I mean, there's tons of stuff to talk about. I think that it's telling how well alternative media is doing going by two things. Joe Rogan and Donald Trump on, I mean, a big apartment, Tucker Carlson on Twitter. Yeah. The last that I have, we're in what the third, the fourth October of November, December, fourth quarter of 2023, the mainstream audience ratings for the first quarter of 2023. Those are the last that with which I'm familiar had Joe Rogan on an average of 11 million views per podcast. Right. And the next closest was one of the Fox shows, Tucker, as he was still there then. Yeah. It's something like, somewhere between five and eight million views, I can't remember. He was right before he got fired. He was doing my recollection. He was between three and five. You're still number one in cable news. Right. So five million. And then it went down to CNN at something like 800,000 for their flagship, Nike news program. And they were in six or seventh position. Rachel Maddo was in sixth. The first five positions were held by ostensibly conservative people. Yeah. Joe Rogan notwithstanding, but Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, the five. And then you got Rachel Maddo on like 900,000 CNN on 800 times. Something like that. And so Joe Rogan who's not conservative. He's just a thinker. Yeah. I mean, he's not at all conservative. Not not not genuinely. He's not an I don't get the. Now I don't listen to the Joe Rogan show, but I don't get the idea that Joe Rogan's an ideologue of any sort. It's sort of like he's. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. I think ideologically his positions are more anti conservative than pro conservative. I think if you asked him about let's take the classic conservative positions, hopefully without upsetting too many people on the left in an irrational manner. Divorce abortion miscegenation, homosexuality. Right. Those are probably the four core pillars of Western Christian social values. Right. Divorce abortion miscegenation. So that's interracial stuff. Yeah. And homosexuality. I would say that the Joe Rogan is left of sent on all of those. I bet he doesn't have an uncond word to say about divorce. If you asked him about abortion, he would give you 150 hours worth of reasons why just because of an in case and the mother and we mustn't forget. And what about if it's rape and so on and so forth. We have that whole thing down. In fact, he's married to a divorce. He only some very much mistaken. And in terms of miscegenation, that woman to whom he's married is the mother of a mixed race child. He is the he's married to a woman who by another man she has a mixed race child. Yes. Yes. Yes. Without judgment. Yes. Just an observation. So I don't think he's conservative, but he at all. I think he's liberal, but he is a thoughtful person. And he has thoughtful intelligent things to say on the empirical evidence lying before him. The classic example being Iver Mecton. Yes. This thing was discovered to be very potent in acting against bacteria and germs. And as we would say in South Africa, Hoh has a nun in your body and it has been used in zoo types, animals, horses, pigs, ostriches, very big ostriches in South Africa. Goats, I have a small herd of milge goats, Swiss toganborg milge goats, since forever and it may very well work for humans. Therefore, I'm going to try it. There was just a thoughtful thing. It can work for pigs and dogs and monkeys and orangutans and chimpanzees at the zoo, then it might also kill the kinds of chochas and nunus inside a human being. When you hear this discussed in mainstream media in the United States, it's described as horse dewormer, but it's some kind of like, I actually don't understand the acting mechanism of Iver Mectin to speak intelligently to it. You understand that he took it and this was something that was discussed in alternative media as a possible treatment for COVID-19. He was mocked relentlessly in the news for this. He recovered from COVID-19, but of course we expect that Joe Rogan would recover from COVID-19 anyway. But you're using this term, hojas and new uses. Internal parasites, bugs of some sort, and this is widely used for a variety of ailments in any case is what you described as. If you get worms, it's like if you get worms, it's like you've got a bunch of dogs, I've got dogs, and human beings pick up worms. Kids especially in play pits say they pick up worms, everybody's embarrassed to talk about it, but it happens. There are two courses of action. The one is to pay a lot of money at a pharmacy. The other is to buy practically the same dewormer or the dog dewormer because they do the same thing. There is no difference whatsoever. It's the same method of action and it's just the molecule is the same method of action between the veterinary drug and the one that's prescribed for humans, but the cost differential is very substantial. They don't necessarily cover exactly the same spectrum, but the overlap is good enough. It's like the notorious or the infamous goldfish antibiotic, among preppers, the world over, particularly the USA, which leads the world in the notions of prepping by hundreds of miles. You always pick up advice like if you're struggling to find oxytetracycline for your preparations, antibiotics for the time that lies ahead, the time when you can't get them freely, you as a prepper should just nip down to the pet store and buy goldfish medication. It's the same thing. You have guys like Joe Rogan just talking about simple truths and the mainstream media somehow managing to warp them almost by miracle in a way that people actually believe. It was shocking to me. I was again restricted to mainstream media during the course of this, but it was very clear that the hysterical outrageous reactions that they had to things. What stands out to me is when Donald Trump talked about what's the thing? I've been making it. No, I'm not talking about hydroxychloroquine. Neil Cavuto on Fox News was like, this will kill you! They went through this thing. I remember CNN went completely haywire that, oh, this couple they were trying to get the hydroxychloroquine and they drank fish tank cleaner. I forget what the actual chemical was, but it's a completely different chemical was in the fish tank cleaner. They said this couple, Donald Trump told them to inject bleach and to flash themselves with flashlights and to drink fish tank cleaner. It turned out that what actually happened was the wife murdered her husband by putting this fish tank cleaner in his food. She killed him and she was charged with murder subsequently. But when this story broke, I'll see an end. It's all because Donald Trump's a threat to public health taking, going people to take drugs that they don't understand. The hydroxychloroquine thing was one of many examples in the Ivermectin thing. I think was less talked about in mainstream media, but I remember the story of Joe Rogan taking it because they were like, Joe Rogan has to be kicked off Spotify. Spotify has to get rid of Joe Rogan. He's telling 11 million people to take horse-dewermer, horse-dewermer, and I'm like, these people have lost their minds. You can see when you say something that you believe is true, you generally, we can try to accentuate the point and there's a use for rhetoric and real conversation. But when you're completely over the top about something, I think that it tends to betray your deceit sometimes. Yes. And that was certainly my observation of mainstream media during the whole COVID thing. The Ivermectin thing especially. That stands out to me about Joe Rogan. I didn't hear about it in a lot of other contexts, but I know that in the Joe Rogan thing, they were, that's what they said they had to kick him off Spotify and Spotify wouldn't do it. Yeah, because I mean Spotify has got the best thing in the world. Very few people mention in this dialogue. You know, no reporters covering this thing, add in the little, I don't know what you call it, but they don't mention, oh, by the way, the chances of Spotify actually doing it on NIL, because in the mainstream media, he is the biggest in the USA by double. Yeah. And the rest are owned by ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and so forth. And Spotify are sitting with literally the gym in the Column and Diamond in the crown of the Queen of England. You know what I mean? Right. And they're like, oh, this is my business competitors telling me to get rid of my greatest asset. Yeah, exactly. You put it well. And the second one, we've kind of gone in a long way from my to exhaust. Any time you want to bring it back to another point is fine with me, but I also just this is going great as far as I'm concerned. The second illustration is of course Tucker Carlson. You know, Tucker Carlson interviewed the president, the former president Donald Trump, on the night of the Republican party's primary debate. Yes. At the same hour. Yep. So you could expect the Tucker Carlson would get NIL views. Right? I mean, it's well, you know, they were going to compete for viewers and it was, it was interesting to see the outcome of that contest actually. Yeah. The Republican party's primary debate got 17 million views by the now bearing in mind that you can't really compare direct to a live direct to a with with podcasts. You can't, but it doesn't matter at the end of the day. If you've managed to figure out a way to compete legally against me in handstands, but you know, completely different way. Let's think of the blade runner. The South African guy used to, you know, he was the competed in the special Olympics, the Olympics for disabled people. Any revolutionized the guys without legs, the amputees. It was a South African guy started running with those things on the bottom of his leg. Excuse me kicking my feet up like that. The point is that even though it's an unfair comparison, it's on a false comparison at the end of the day by I think it was the next evening. So 24 hours of Tucker Carlson's podcast being out, he'd got 140 million views. And my point is, excuse my language, ladies and gentlemen, but they must be shitting themselves for the fact that in this critical period of transition, this period of metamorphosis, this period of chrysalis, the silkworm being transformed from a worm to a butterfly in the chrysalis phase, where the biggest voice in the world is a really conservative guy who's attracting more views and whatever you call him, then all of the mainstream media put together. Never mind Joe Rogan with these is unbelievable 11 million. You've got Tucker Carlson getting 140 million. It's mental. It is, I mean, and I will, for the sake of the listener, I should point out that when Twitter counts views on a video, it is this video I showed up in a timeline and somebody scrolled past it in a fashion that the video began to play. It doesn't mean they watched the whole thing, but even at that, you still know that he's beating all of primetime cable news by leaps and bounds. And even if you account for that, it's still the entirety of cable news, he's still defeating them. There's no question about that. And that is very substantial. You have to say. And I think that a large part of I think that the hysteria that you have going on with all these people is that, you know, when you trying to win the election and control the government is very important, of course. But if you can't control the information, if you can't control the flow of information for one, it becomes very difficult to control the outcome of the election. But fundamentally, you can't govern as you see fit if people believe differently than you. They will not go along with the program if you have diametrically opposed views. And so their control has been the media matrix. It's the information environment that facilitates everything else. And so when there are threats to that information matrix, they react with the utmost hysteria and with all justification because all of the entire facade, the entire claim to legitimacy is dependent upon our authority cannot be questioned. And so our entire claim to legitimacy is, well, I said it, you saw it on the news, you read it in the newspaper, therefore it's fact. And when they're telling you that your child is actually the opposite sex and you have to cut off their genitals to facilitate this and you're skeptical of the claim. And then credible media figures are saying, hey, they're crazy, don't let them do that. They can't maintain that illusion anymore. And that yanks the power out from under them. Yeah, yeah. And it must be very worrying for them because if they lose the election next year, if the election goes ahead and they lose it because of their inability to control the narrative of the society. And there's this, you know, tremendous, like, you know, whatever 90 million people go and vote for, for Donald Trump and Joe Biden is revealed to have actually only gotten, you know, four and a half million votes, whatever the case may be. It's going to place them in a very, very difficult position regarding perhaps the war in Ukraine, US debt, US geopolitical relationships and so on and so forth. I mean, there's a huge amount of stuff that's going on at the moment that depends critically, absolutely critically upon a far left wing person being in control of the White House and or a dunderhead being controlled in the White House. And just as an aside, I'll end with this brief statement. It became my conviction in 2016. And I spoke very much about this on the WhatsApp groups, St. London's WhatsApp groups that I have one as an international foreigner's only group one is St. London's sponsors, you know, people who made special contributions and one is St. London's leaders. And I said in 2016, it seems to me that this election is being set up to create a Trojan horse for Kamala Harris. It is being set up for Joe Biden to win because Kamala Harris could never possibly win. In order to get Kamala Harris into the White House at a later stage, I can't justify that position very well. I can't, you know, it's a plausible theory. But at some sort of instinctive level, it seemed to me, Colley G, I wonder if they're not trying to get this evil witch into the White House. Yeah, I mean, they under they understand fundamentally that the only the only Democrat poor polling poorer than Joe Biden is Kamala Harris. You can't you can't you can't steal the election with Kamala Harris as your thief. You have to have Joe Biden do it when people are like, oh, well, at least I still am dumb enough to think that Joe Biden's, you know, lunch bucket Joe, right? Yeah. And so he gets in and there's no expectation amongst, you know, informed observers that he's going to last another four years as president. So he steps down or has an accident or, you know, one of these falls actually breaks his damn neck. And then Kamala Harris is president of the United States. And we have a three year, you know, funeral procession for president Joe Biden. And, you know, that's that's a plausible theory. I'd say if you if you want to have Kamala Harris be president, you know, have you ever watched the Netflix series House of Cards? Yes. So, you know, you have to have some chicane array to get her to be president. She can't win the election. And so that that's that's it's a plausible theory. And you're not the only person who believes that I've certainly heard that before. And so that makes sense. What next? I don't know. I'm interested to talk to you, although it would just be a ramble because I don't think that anybody has some, you know, really substantial information about the US debt and social crisis. Can I throw a couple of things at you by all means? Okay. So for South Africans and Americans benefits, we're sitting in a hotel room at the Econo Lodge in Manchester, New Hampshire. And I paid $240 for tonight's accommodation. And when amazing. Yeah, when Andre Kutsia and I, all St. Lawrence will know who Andre Kutsia is. He's the former head of discipline, former head of security. I think I'm using the right term and policing. One of St. Lawrence former provincial heads and sector heads. When Andre and I toured the USA in 2017, I don't believe that we paid more than $55 a person for any one night's accommodation. Now, I should confess that we're in the far north east, which is an expensive part of the USA. We are tomorrow's Columbus Day, so it's a holiday weekend. And we're in the autumn or the fall as Americans call it, which in New Hampshire, we call leaf peeping season. Leaf peeping season tourist thing here. Yes. So people have come to look at the leaves change color on the trees. It's a new Hampshire, a beautiful place. I mean, not necessarily driving around the city of Manchester, but you've had a chance to drive through the city. You've seen some of the mountains and that sort of thing. It's nice. It's unbelievably beautiful. I think I don't know. Perhaps I should travel more, but I think I can't imagine that there's a more beautiful country in the world. All things considered than the USA. I've spent weeks in the Black Forest in Germany. I have come from South Africa, which according to some people, notably an American famous American travel writer, head and shoulders the most beautiful country in the world. So according to my limited reference points, America is just the most beautiful. I imagine that I might be in a forest for the tree situation. I'm stuck in the midst of it, and I'm stuck looking at much of the ugliness going on and warps my perceptions. It's good to hear about America. It's a statement on the rest of the world, perhaps. I think about an image I saw not so long ago comes to my mind. I forget where it was from, but it was clearly not here. It was not the gutter, but the pipe coming down from the gutter on the roof. It was very artistically designed. It was something else, and then you saw something next to it that was just garbage in some city in America. All it said was, imagine in a place where even the gutters are artistically designed. I'm thinking that this is large parts of Europe or something like that. Probably still have portions of this, but probably declining. There are no two ways about it. There are countries in Europe that are exquisitely beautiful, but because there's so much smaller than the USA, all things considered, I think the USA takes the cake. That's just my opinion. One of the things that I guess I have even managed to observe from my travels throughout this country is when you drive through the United States, you can get everything. You go from one part of the country to another, you'll see cities and suburbs, and you'll see one type of weather, another type of weather, and a completely different type of plants and fauna and flora. And here in the northeast, for those who don't know, it's largely characterized by tall trees. So there are these woods that just run for miles and miles and miles. There are millions and millions and millions of these trees. And they can reach 14 meters, some of them, 160 feet, 170, 180 feet. I don't want to exaggerate, but they are phenomenally tall. And it's a marvelous thing to see if you come from a country like South Africa. There's no tall trees whatsoever, apart from in one region, a very small region. The southern Cape, we have some yellow wood in the Saipan, but my real point is... I'm sorry to distract from your point, but I'm curious about it. Is that a consequence of the types of trees that grow there don't grow tall, or is it that the human impact on the environment has been set? No, it's not environmental. It's nature. But my point for the audience has been, is that... Yeah, I'm paying 240 a night. It's crucifixion, it's 4,800 rand o' night. It's mental. You know how I shopped around. But the point is that let's say all things considered, let's say it wasn't leaf peeping season and it wasn't a holiday weekend. It'd be about 120, 125 dollars a night this room. I've been here before and I've held events at this hotel. It's typically, if you do it, if you book it the day before, you're going to pay or the day off, you're going to be looking at 125 dollars a night. If you book it in advance a lot of times you can get it for 100. That's what this place is. When you told me it was $240, I was like, are they taking advantage of my friend, the foreigner? Then you mentioned what it is, it's the holiday weekend. So Andre Kuzio and I didn't pay more than $55 a night per person for, you know, he was here for a short period, but I in six months never paid more than that. That was extreme. We only stayed in motel sixes because we learned very, very early on that that is reliably the cheapest accommodation in the USA. There are some exceptions here and there, but for the most part, they don't count. Usually if there's anything cheaper than a motel six, it's an economy larger. For those of you who don't live in the United States or stay in cheap motels, I'll just make sure they know that the flaglenders is not wasting money. The economy is the cheapest place that you can stay in Manchester, New Hampshire. This is the absolute cheapest hotel that you can get in this place. Before you came here, you were at a motel six and I believe Nashwa. I think you said you paid 120 dollars a night there. 129 and 74 cents. And I was so horrified. You know, I'm spending other people's money. I've got to take responsibility. I've chatted to the colored guy behind the counter. So you mixed race guy. So the African mixed race people insist upon being called colored. Little mixed race guys. Super duper chap. We had a lovely conversation. We can say that here, but just so you know, don't call anybody colored in the United States to their face. And he was a really little sweetheart guy. He was at first a little bit hesitant, but then he said, yeah, I've heard those stories. In other words, he was implying that he has entered the hotel industry since 2017, 18, 19. When I did about nine months of trips to the USA, so a six month trip, a six week trip, a three week trip, whatever, a bunch of trips up until late 2019. And charging me $129.74 a night for something that would have cost me given that the prices lower for two people. Two people might pay $50 each as Andre could see and I did coming to $100. One person might pay $55 was $60 for accommodation for a night. That's how it works. If you're in your wife, if you go, if you go to an economy larger or motel six and you have two adults staying in one room, even if you get, you know, typically when I got a room here, not so long ago, I got a room with two queen beds. And it was the price per room does not go up for two people. If you start adding people on top of that, you get three, four people. Yes. Then they start charging you more person. Well, the price typically goes down. They'll charge you like $40 a person for two. That's $80, but $45 for one. Oh, I'm not even familiar with that pricing structure. Usually a charger like in my limited experience. But then again, I usually anyway, I'll continue. So what is my real point of taking a long time to get you? My real point is that clearly there is phenomenal inflation in this country. Yes. It's mental. And I'm going to be very brief because it's taken me a long time to get you. And clearly there's a hang of a lot of other stuff going on with it. My first speech in 2017 in late, like me, I think it's called late Mary, late Mary in Florida. Somebody asked me afterwards, what's your first impression? You've just flown in two days ago. And I said, well, I've been relaxing to answer the question because if I'm going to all say, all it's going to be truthful, he said, I don't worry. I said, I can't get over how ill people look. And now a few years later, the prices are mental. People look much more ill. The youth look, all of them look miserable. The facial expressions of every young person in this country, bar none. Are glum. What's going on, Christopher? It is all of the things that we've been discussing for the last hour and a half. I think that there's a popular, there was a popular myth that liberalism is going to solve all of our problems. That we're going to legalize drugs and you're going to be able to do whatever you want sexually. And this is going to bring you all of the fulfillment that you seek. And then they got all of those things. And that is not what happened. And so in Manchester, New Hampshire in particular, it's a terrible thing to look at. You've probably seen some of it. When I leave my house on foot, I walk past a few parks in this city. And there's junkies not out in the parks. But the libertarians here, I talked to you briefly off the air about the free state project. This was this libertarian effort that they're all going to move here and they basically take over the government. Either a abolish it or reduce it to something that you get drowned in a bathtub. And what they went about doing was removing all of the controls on vice. And so as a matter of fact, when you pick me up, a black fellow who lives in my building comes as you think they're going to legalize marijuana. I was like, I'm like, fuck the final. I'm not paying attention to New Hampshire politics actually. I actually had no idea what he was talking about. And I'm like, and I guess he didn't like my answer. I was like, yeah, probably because they're trying to drag civilization into the gutter. And he was like, oh, I was looking forward to marijuana. I could pick up Christopher in the car to come back here to set the set up, right? So I've pulling and park and Christopher put all of his stuff in the car. And we were just about to pull off. And a car reversed in next to us in this parking place. The driver gets out of his vehicle, leans in my window and asks Christopher, do you think they're going to legalize? There's like out of the blue, right? You know, in your building. They have some idea that I talk about politics. I don't think that they fully understand what politics I'm talking about. Some of them have had better understandings of it than others. I'm glad that it's not talked about widely. But you know, so yeah, he asked me this question. I'm like, well, you know, I have no idea, but you know, they're destroying the country. So why not? And so, but they've basically already done it is what I mean to get at. It's so like, you have people literally like shooting up in the park in the middle of the afternoon. Okay. I've walked past people with needles in their arm in public in broad daylight. And I'm like, what the hell am I looking at? You know, a new hamster. I don't think most of New Hampshire is as bad as as Manchester, but this is the entirety of my experience getting out of prison. And so, you know, this is influencing my perceptions very clearly. You know, this is not what Manchester was like four years ago. Okay. They went and they turned around and they were basically like, we're going to just stop enforcing the drug laws because we have this ideology that, you know, no victim, no crime. And somehow drugs are a victimless offense. And that's not true, actually. The people who are dotting out in the park are victims. And at the same end at once perpetrators. And so like, that is dragging us down. And it's both a symptomatic cause. It's a vicious cycle that, you know, these people go out, they do these things. They commit crimes, they make more people miserable. It makes no sense to work. You become this thing and then everybody's dragged down with it and everybody's unhappy. And you're like, okay, well, you know, I'm going to go find my fulfillment. You know, having sex with strangers on the internet. And then, shockingly enough, you don't feel fulfilled. And then, and then all of the pathologies that come along with an unfulfilling life, you know, in Sioux. And if you're a child and you're looking at that and you see a bunch of unhappy people, then are you going to be looking forward to the future, I think not. And so, you know, I think that there's a, there's a general, you know, there's a, there's a general attitude of violence. And that's an attitude of unhappiness that is unavoidable to observe for even, you know, very young people. And that's probably what you're observing. Yeah. Another thing, if you'll indulge me that I'll explain in terms that South Africans can understand. And Americans can work it out for themselves. But the minimum wage in the U.S. says, what, 15, the federally mandated minimum wage is $15 an hour. And that is not. So, like, I don't, I don't know what it actually is now, but it's, it's, it's not, it's not much higher than $7. Maybe they raised it to 8 or 9. I think that there was a, there's a big push to get it up to $15 an hour. It might as well be because most jurisdictions are getting that, moving in that direction. New Hampshire, last I checked, did not have its own minimum wage. New Hampshire's minimum wage was set by the federal government, but you would not take a job in New Hampshire for $8 an hour. You can't, you can't live on the U.S. minimum wage. A teenager wouldn't take a part-time job at $8 an hour. And the lowest that I've seen offered is $15 an hour. I keep an eye open for these things. There's, there's a social, like, there's, there's a, there's a prevailing attitude that the minimum wage should be $15 an hour. And there's been a lot of, like, pressure on, like, corporate entities to institute that, whether or not it's mandated by law. Well, the point that I want to make is that I've now come across two stores. I've been here for two and a half weeks. Our tour has gotten off to a very slow start because of a financial crisis in the early days, with enormous ramifications, knock on repercussions. And in two and a half weeks, I've seen two stores that are shut down, intact. So the shelves are full. The, the till is in place. Everything is in order. But there's a sign on the door saying, uh, closed due to no help. Yeah. Closed due to labor shortage. Closed due to, right. And I was staying with a guy in Sayer, Pennsylvania, who owns a small business. And he was describing to me his, his employee problems, not, not anything negative, whatever. But, you know, this person's short, that person's ill. This is a tough day, whatever. And, uh, the general impression that a person like me gets is that there's a big employment crisis. And it's not a shortage of jobs. It's a shortage of people willing to work. Right. Which is almost a big upon. But it's almost, I'm, I'm a fairly well read guy. I've started reading the newspaper when I was about six years old, dad bringing up, read, I cannot remember ever reading about any society in the world where there was a reverse unemployment problem. Goli G there, just too many jobs. Right. And we don't know what to do about that because we've got too few human beings. And in any society in my 52 years of life, especially a situation where there's, there's a labor shortage with a bunch of people getting fat and overdosing on drugs in the park with no job. Okay. So I just looked it up. They did not raise the minimum wage. It is still $7.25 per hour is the federal minimum wage. Like something like 30 states have substantially higher minimum wages. I don't know what, you know, the, the individual state governments typically set a higher minimum wage than, than does the federal government. But so the, the, the number I had in my head was $7.25 and they have not raised that in terms of it. And so, but, you know, what you end up with is that, you know, there's subsidies, right? So, you know, if you, other people have done the math on this, I don't have the numbers in front of me. But, you know, some conservative think tanks have gone out and said, well, you know, if you just refuse to work, how much money will you make, you know, in the United States or, you know, subsidies? And the number is somewhere between, you know, you could be bringing home $30,000, $40,000 a year to not work. And then you go and you'd say, okay, $7.25 by $40,000 by $52, you know, which makes more sense working my asshole for that or sitting home and collecting the money and not working. And the answer is it makes a lot more sense not to work, right? Or to, you know, to, to do whatever the hell you want for money whenever you want. There's the other thing is now they've got everything is the gig economy now, right? You're an Uber driver, you're, you're, you're, you're, whatever the food delivery thing, you know, door dash, yeah, door dash, whatever it is, grab hub these things and, and fiber and whatever it is. And what, what, what, one of the things that, that one of the phenomena occurring is that people don't want to be locked into a work schedule and being a podcaster, I have some sympathy for this. And so they, they are not employed, but they have incomes derived from these, you know, these other sources. And that, you know, there's, there's some merit to that. There's, there's reasons to do that. But, you know, when you, when you have no structure and you don't have employee benefits and all of these things that come along with it, you know, there are pathologies that attend for sure. I think, I want to endorse you. I can't remember the figures, but I looked them up about five years ago on what an unemployed person in the USA can expect to obtain in terms of rent assistance, schooling assistance, food stamps, there's that. The next thing and the numbers are mental. And that's the reason why people are coming in not with standing any conspiratorial stuff. When I flew in, I flew in through Boston Logan Airport. So Boston, Massachusetts on the east coast, northeast coast of the United States of America, Logan Airport and I stood in the immigration queue. And I would estimate that we were about 400 people and there were about eight white people. Yeah. That'll happen. And that's US and non-US citizens alike. So you would think that the US citizens queue would make up for that. But even if there was a huge influx of immigrants, US ambassadors and businessmen and what have you returning home from where ever? Would kind of balance it out. Now let's say I'm bull dusting. Let's say it was 20 white folks. And let's say the total number of people was 300 that I'm overestimated the total number. And that is safely not the flipping case. That gives you a sense of perspective on who's coming in. And some of those people were Indians from India who were dressed like I remember Indians in my town in South Africa. We had perhaps still have the largest number of Indians outside of India in the world around the city of Durban in South Africa during a part eight. So when poor Indians were very poor, that's how they dressed. My point is that you're getting in the drinks, the drinks, but they know that it's the cushiest number that they will ever experience if they live 30 lifetimes. Right. They're going to get whatever number of dollars a month, but that's just where it starts. It's food for the kids at school. It's food stamps. It's heating allowances in the winter. It's rental allowances. It's the list is this big. As you say, maybe $40,000 worth a year, 800,000 rent for South Africans. Yeah. When you have a you create these when you remove all of your immigration controls and then you subsidize the importation of poor people. This is the predictable result of it very clearly. And so, you know, that's and it and it advances a design fundamentally, right? You know, there's been discussions. There's been controversy here about, you know, accepting South Africans as refugees or trying to encourage immigration from European countries. And whenever you raise any prospect of, you know, even even so much as a very very well publicized thing was when they were going to get the money. The Trump administration proposed that in order to immigrate to the United States, you had to speak English. Not not the most ridiculous immigration control that any country has ever implemented. Okay. You have to speak our language. If you want to be a citizen, it's not the craziest thing to propose. And the media went completely insane about this. You can't expect these people to learn a new language. They have to come here and live amongst us for three generations. And then, you know, and then we'll just make up new forms to accommodate their language. And we'll all be a disjointed civilization of people who can't talk to one another. And that's what we think the future should be like. And that's something that you do when you want to destroy a civilization. That's not a misguided effort to help the downtrod. And that's a plan for destruction fundamentally. And so you remove all the immigration controls. You subsidize the population. You feed them drugs. You discourage the discourage work. You create job openings. You cease to enforce immigration laws with regard to hiring. And then there's, you know, somebody wants to stay in business. They're hiring immigrants. You don't do anything about that. I think that it's a function of the long march through the institutions. I believe very firmly that it is Marxist. And we know from the writings of Karl Marx that he was not an atheist. He was a deeply religious man. And we've had this thing sold to us. I mean, it's just phenomenal. But in the fourth critique of Hegel, he talks very eloquently about, and he's deliberate about this, that the first purpose of communism is to destroy Christianity. He writes in some of his poetry. I'm going to try to quote a line. But though God may throw me down a thousand times, I will forever summon the dark forces to rise up to destroy him again and again and again. He was a deep, he was, he was a worshiper of Mollech fundamentally. And so therefore I would say as a Christian, again, not to endeavor or attempt to evangelize your audience. I'm not trying to get anybody to think like me. But I would say this is a satanic thing. And I would also say, this is going to upset people that the fight is lost in conventional terms. It's lost, which is not to say that you shouldn't hold your own. It's not to say that you shouldn't resist if somebody breaks into your house and try to not saying that. I'm not saying that you should become complacent. And I say fair that you should capitulate to the evil. I'm just saying that in conventional terms, it's going to be impossible to undo the damage that has been done in recent years. Well, let me first say, don't worry about proselytizing to the audience. It might be interesting. You know, it's an interesting thing that you just said. You described Karl Marx as a religious man. You say that he's a worshiper of Mollech. Okay. You know, I observe that people who would claim to be atheists behave as if they're at war with the God they hate. And the God is the existence they deny. Well, and that's it's a weapon of war to the denial is a weapon of the warfare. Right. They're there at war with the God and diminishing belief therein is simply a munition. Right. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And that's what it seems like to me. And you know, my audience knows I'm not a guy who can, you know, claim adherence to a faith saying, but it's been an interesting phenomenon here that, you know, I have a lot of Christian listeners and there and there are some of the some of the most enthusiastic audience members and some of the best supporters of the show. And, you know, as I mentioned to you, sometimes it becomes a atheism becomes a difficult prospect of time. But it's so much of what goes on is probably better explained by some of the ideas that you have. Right. That the people who are running around, you know, fanatically devoted to the destruction of Christianity. Yes. If it was some silly superstition, if it was just another lie, yes, they wouldn't be so bent out of shape about that. They love lying. Right. They want, they want you to believe that you can change your sex. Okay. They want you to believe that homosexuality is equal to monogamous family life. Yes. These are lies very clearly. Yes. If Christianity was just some superstition, they would have no problem with that. There's some other problem that they have with it. You know, they're not they're not trying to, they're not trying to bring the people out of the dark days of superstition into a more enlightened phase of their lives. They're trying to diminish this for some other reason than that. You know, and so I think that what you described as Karl Marx, I the lying escapes me, but he's rising up to destroy God is fundamentally what he's trying to do. And that seems to be a lot of what what goes on with these people for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the fourth critique of Hagel, he says that economy is exact words, but they run something like this. I wish that I could get it into the thick heads of communists that the first purpose of communism is to destroy the triune Godhead. In other words, the Christian God. And that the way to do that, he's starting a slightly vehement. The way to do that is through the Christian family. When will people learn ones and for all our first point of contact is the Christian family. We've got to break the Christian family and then he resources to something deeply spiritual. He says that in breaking God's in destroying God's reflection on earth. So in his mind, the father, mother and child are somehow representative of the triune Godhead father, son and holy spirit according to him. And he says in destroying that reflection, you diminish the power of God in heaven. And I thought that that was quite a fascinating thing to learn from him from the enemy. Yeah. Let me be the I'm it's almost be asking for advice here. It's it and it might be of some interest to the audience to you know a question I've struggled with and I've discussed it in a couple of times publicly. You know, I am convinced I'm not convinced of the truth of any particular religious text say, but I actually convinced that you know religion and Christianity in particular is like a positive if not necessary element for civilization. And so you know as a guy who as a guy who can't claim to believe in the accuracy of the text as a historical matter, it poses a challenge for me right because I it would seem to me that to say for example to attend a church. Okay, there's benefits that attend to that you know community, you know, this sort of thing. Yeah. And so for for for me not to believe the things that those people believe and then to go and join them and to enjoy the benefits of their community. It seemed like I was doing a dishonest thing. And yet at the same time, I think that that would be a deeply good thing to do at the same time. Or even like you know in the position that I'm in, I have the capacity to influence the thinking of people. And so it would be for me to go and profess a faith that don't believe would be to deceive my audience and I don't think I can ethically do that. But at the same time, I think it would be good. It would be a very good thing if my if people were religious and had the benefits of religious community and and the behaviors that religious belief incentivizes you know. And so what do you say to people who are are not of the of the view that these things are matters of objective fact but then understand the benefits of their influence on society. It's a complicated question. I believe firmly that we should go to church that our children should receive formal instruction in the doctrine of Christianity. But in practice it is we live in an epoch in which that largely fails and many are tempted to suggest the majority of statelanders are Christians who worship at home and don't attend church. The turning away from the church in South Africa among right wingers or let's say two conservatives is enormous. It's a phenomenon. I can think of one statelander whom I know who attends church. And statelanders is the probably the most overtly Christian organization of its sort in the world. It's an organization that is not a church that is about conservative Caucasian securing the welfare of in times of crisis but is overtly pushy, pushy Christian about it. And yet nobody goes to church because the churches have you know lied to us about so much for so long. The same church is the told us that apartheid they justified it in religious terms we all grew up with that come the late 80s all of a sardine they were out with the reasons why the doctrine should change 180 degrees shamelessly. A part it can be justified on the following verses. And then from one day to the next. Yeah Jesus said love everybody. It's endless so it's a very difficult thing and it's important to me it's important because I don't want to stand before the throne of God and be judged and condemned for not bringing up my children well my son is right. You know they have a detrimental thing because of you Simon therefore I condemn you so I endeavor to to have a Christian formation or to to to to to to to give them a Christian formation. But it's very difficult when you're not part of a Christian community when you can't say to them you know on Sunday morning we're going to go and listen to the man who knows what he's talking about speak about our Lord and savior and on Sunday evening we're going to join with the community we're going to have dinner whatever on Monday you'll be able to join the use whatever you know the three or four events in a given week that enable the average faithful person of the West. In the past two thousand years to have his Christianity kept alive within him on a daily basis almost. It's interesting the I don't know if you can tell me this or if you did tell me this already I mean sweet landers as an organization I mean what is that can you tell me anything about the numbers of the people involved in it. Yeah we have about five thousand paying members okay who pay about five dollars a month a little bit more okay 109 random month and those five thousand paying members represent probably. Oh I'm sucking this out of my thumb call it 25,000 family members so they make one contribution but there's a dad and a mom and three kids roughly speaking okay and we then have because it's not it's not compulsory this is a very strict policy of our leader it's been his policy for 20 years and he refuses to to waver on it. He says that it should be a matter of conscience and not something that in any way exclude somebody who can't afford. Then we probably have another I'm sucking this out of my thumb 25,000 people who are. Believe themselves to be cyclunders and are even in many cases active cyclunders but who don't pay a fee. Okay so I understand the rough numbers that you give me I think that's a fine approximation and they're spread over across a territory of approximately what size. 1,221,000 square kilometers so in miles that would be how do you convert kilometers to miles you divide by 11 or something 9. So this is they are not geographically concentrated in such a fashion as to constitute their own churches. No no no no no we're very thinly scattered across the length and the breadth of South Africa. Okay I understand why people generally are very thinly scattered across South Africa except in the main cities. Johannesburg, Pretoria, Durban whatever Cape Town but in the balance of the country in the rural areas you know they're just not enough of us to form very many large communities or even solid communities. You know we only four and a half million people in total over a country that is twice the size of Texas. So imagine if you took Texas and Arizona roughly speaking and you put just four and a half million people in them. Right you know yeah that's that's the homogeneous people that does a fine job of illustrating it and so you know. And so those people I mean if they attend church then they're attending church with blacks then. Yeah yeah churches very much you know integrated and so being conscious of the otherness and the hostility there's a you know even if they weren't propagandizing you for your own extinction. You know the the demographics alone are a distance sent up to attend them right you know the well. Yes and no in some of the churches yes if you were somebody who would rather celebrate your savior with people with whom you shared a language a culture a history and instinctive affinity you know those things that we know that have been proven by science particularly in recent decades. Then you can find almost exclusively white churches in certain white suburbs you know where the locals who attend that church all white so there are still suburbs in in Johannesburg for instance that but even they are propagandizing for the yeah of course I used to take my boys to church and stopped after two or three doctrinal. Events you know from the from the pulpit that would just I can't remember what they were but they're absolutely horrified me so I mean you know. And I hope you don't mind we can change the subject if you want this is a subject of some interest you know like you know. Though I have come to recognize that religious influence and Christianity in particular positive influences on society like the demonstration that the institutions can and in fact are hijacked you know. Presents presents an intellectual challenge say for the organizational and the shall we say social utility of the institution right that. We have this observation we there's a perception before this happens say that the institution is divinely ordained right that's that's certainly the that's certainly the claim of the Catholic church say right that the Pope talks to God and he's infallible as a consequence right and you know Martin Luther famously takes issue with this and then you know and so you know I guess. How do how do you deal with the subversion of the institution on on a I guess I'm struggling to articulate this is you see and I apologize but you know how do you as a as a faithful person deal with the subversion of the institution on say an intellectual level how does this this does this challenge your faith and in what capacity and how do you deal with it yeah it's difficult it's difficult because you would like to believe that the power of almighty God is. So I think that's such that he doesn't let six year olds get leukemia and that he doesn't allow his church to be utterly subverted and that he doesn't leave you in a in a crisis of comprehension of right and wrong and the reaction to that in South Africa has been. Among far right wingers in the in the true sense of the term you know a the emergence of a new school a new confession if you like which is very old testament when you interviewed me previously with young lampracht he made certain allegations about me that. That we're based on. Truths that the logical sillage was 100% false but his starting point was a truth you know he was saying well he's a Jew because he doesn't eat pork. That may or may not have been one of the things I'll come to one that he did say he's a Jew because he keeps the Sabbath on Saturday that may or may not have been but the one that that was true. Was he's a Jew because his sons are called Noah and Aaron. And only a Jew would name his son that way and I do keep the Sabbath on Saturday I do not have an eaten pork for 30 years and my sons are called Noah and Aaron not because I'm Jewish or seventh day Adventist but because many conservative Christians in South Africa began to experience this absolute crisis of the day. This is a very serious crisis of betrayal in the church 38 years ago roughly so in the run up to the multiracial elections of 1994 we began to say but how could you tell us that a part aid was true? So tell us now that it was 180% wrong and false and bad and so that a loss of faith in the churches began a long time before it began anywhere else in the world. The decline in faithfulness in Europe was not because people thought that the Lutheran church has got something wrong with it was because they wanted to go rave dancing and taking ebiscuits. The sea tablets on Saturday nights and they couldn't get up for you know the whole the Western world changed dramatically between the 1940s and 2023. You know this is well recorded. Where's in South Africa people began to say hang on have we not been bullshitted about everything all of the time and so there's a small movement. I was one of the first not in the movement just informally myself I was hitchhiking back very ill from Zanzibar Island most of my liver destroyed by a hepatitis A. I was recovering in a town in Malawi and some people were helping me lovely local people and I was bored and I went into a library and I read a book it doesn't matter what the book was and it started my thing of and now I must please ask you to mute or whatever but I'm going to use candid language. Go. Screw them, screw them all. I'm never going to eat the pig again in my life just me and I never forces on him your friends and only well will tell you he never ever forces it on anybody but he is rigorous about it and then I thought stuff it I'm going to keep the Sabbath to the original old Sabbath just me never ask what other person to do it. When my kids came along I said to the mom let's make a deal you can have the privilege of naming them I wish it was me I was dying to name them all are asked is that you give them all testament names the names of our forefathers this means a lot to me don't call him brandy McKinsey Chelsea. I don't know what fig leaf hunter but you know nothing newfangled do that for me choose a name that my great great great great great grandfather would have thought was a good biblical name so and this interestingly it's just such a pity that you guys have got no way of participating in this there's a pastor in South Africa very very clever guy who has been spent the past three years endeavoring to explain what's going on in the world in terms of the book of revelation you don't have to agree with him it's just that he's done a better job than any other human being in the world in Africa in saying right the next thing that's going to happen is there's going to be a war in Ukraine for instance so it just to clarify prior to the war in Ukraine this guy that you're describing he said based on what I read in the book of revelations yes he's claiming that there's going to be a war in Ukraine he didn't say Ukraine what he said is it will occur in Russia and it will involve the following parties and then he listed I think it was six parties okay so it would be Russia he might have said explicitly Ukraine I think he said Southwest Russia whatever Iran would later get involved it's that's just one example another example was before the evidence of the the clutch shots was coming out he revealed a series of things about needles and people being destroyed so many billion so on so forth but that's an aside for people who can't follow up on it it's pointless me talking about this but if anybody's interested in a name his name is Yapi van sale okay so there's a lot of people who are going to say that okay so there's this little movement and he's kind of the leader of it and so this movement it now you described as your own personal choice to take the Sabbath on Saturday and to avoid pork but this movement has also done this the they observed the Sabbath on Saturday they don't eat pork and the idea being I get I'm I'm not sure if you if you care to explain it I mean what is what is it about going back to the Old Testament rules that that seems to be the more prudent course I'm going to again not now I'm really going to speak in very very simple candid rough terms please we can you can say anything you want here I understand you represent an organization and you have to be but just for the sake of the show in the audience if you were to go on a tirade of profanity nobody's going to be that upset about it this is the radical agenda it's the idea of people waking up and saying fuck at these fucking swine have been lying to me since day fucking one right so I can't trust anything okay therefore I'm just going to endeavor in my own little way to attempt to rediscover truthful relationship with God that is sorn of all the things that I'm going to do is to get a little bit more all of the bullshit all of the you know my children were going to church now that the chances are 10 to 1 that it would be in an environment where they are led to believe by the the stewards of the flock the the shepherds of the flock that the anus is a sex organ now if you take that extreme thing if you take that extreme position and you work it back you eventually reach the point where you say who the fuck gave these I was permission to change the sebath from Saturday to Sunday well that was actually going to be my next question so like I actually don't I don't actually know I don't have I went to like I've read the Bible a couple of times I actually listen to the audio book version of the Bible twice while I was in the church and I was a kid I went to like what we called religion class and I don't think I learned very much there frankly but you know I have some familiarity with with the text in any case and it's not clear to me when these changes happen so so in the Old Testament we're not supposed to eat pork in the New Testament we are and then we go from Saturday to Sunday is it your is is what you're saying is that there's actually nothing in the Bible that that directs these changes to me directs these changes this is something that's made up by the people who run the institutions fundamentally is that the idea that this okay that's interesting was hijacked as soon as it was born okay so all right that's very interesting and so I'll give you another illustration please do you know you and your audience might find compelling I don't speak as an official not a speak as a parrot regurgitating things that it's heard other people say I'm not the official not her but this guy Yarpy Fonseil has a sermon that illustrates this point as a matter of fact I'm actually technically not a part of his church so I'm not I'm not coming up for my favorite hero in which he analyzes the verses or the verse forgive them Lord for forgive them father for they know not what they do yes when I watch that sermon I find it compelling I am successfully convinced by him to the extent that I'm able to comprehend the his argument in the absence of a working knowledge of Latin and Greek that in fact the all of the original texts read give them not father for they know what they do that's very interesting 2000 years of Christianity have been convinced that Jesus said no matter how bad the sin even if you kill God it's okay little sweet arts didn't mean it and that has informed everything about us everything about us has been warped from the get go so we would say and so there's this little bit of a kickback where people's black myself say look I don't know I'm not clever enough to say that Saint Oregon was an idiot and the 15th Pope of Rome couldn't read and write and this one is a fallen Anglican's are good but Methodist so better I've got no flipping idea all I know is that these people are now at the point and this is the most persuasive thing of all and it I think was crystallized by the Southern Baptist Convention in 2016 17 the Southern Baptist Convention is as it has been described to me traditionally the second most conservative of the mainstream churches of the USA yeah and the most conservative as it was described to me is a is a certain persuasion or confession if you like of Dutch reformed in in based in the north of the USA around Michigan that's how the story was told to me right along comes the Southern Baptist Convention supposedly notoriously conservative and waiverable in the holy doctrine of our savior saying up the bums okay in that moment I believe that many conservative Christians all around the world knew that they were not in a gray area no matter how many times the radio the television Donald Trump God bless him say I've got no problem with gay does that no matter who said in fact this is not as wrong as our forefathers have made it out to be that they were able to conclude for themselves bullshit bullshit do not equate the the marriage of of the sperm and the over in creating new flesh in the womb of a woman with ejaculating into a puken hell yeah I don't know much I'm not clever enough me I don't know whether we should be nicer to Palestine we we should grant independence to the Peruvians whether we should be shipping arms to Nicaragua whether we should be the labor party we should be voting labor in Australia we should be voting conservative whether you send our down in the I am too stupid but I know that I know I'm clever enough to know that don't convince don't try to convince me to tell my little boys my beloved children that that's okay in this equal I want to um Simon does not have the benefit of headphones and so it's it's worth the effect but I want to let you know that there is some clipping there and I think it actually served to drive home your point of how seriously you take the issue because it is a fairly black and white thing right you know when you when you turn around and you say you know there's a lot of things that are say unclear in the text there's a there's a things that are subject to some interpretation say and when you read the Bible you know the average person is not able to understand every word of this text but they understand that you know it's an abomination say right I forget the precise word and then you say well the abomination is actually on par with raising a family yes this is fairly straightforward right when you say okay well I've gone back and interpreted the Greek and the Latin and I think that these two words are reversed and that fundamentally completely changes the meaning of everything that we believe yes that's a very significant thing indeed but there's sub there's room for dispute about that say in the common parlance yes right yes no room for dispute in this yes and and when you see that this is part of a design fundamentally this is yes you yes you should you should engage in homosexual behavior you should open up your borders you should you should cut off your balls and call yourself Sally you know this is all all of this is designed to exterminate you this is your death and when people are coming into your house of worship and telling you that God commands that you be destroyed yes you know that's a that's a pretty significant thing and I don't I don't blame you for raising your voice about it yeah and so I what you say about the forgive them father for they know not what they do that that's a very interesting thing so now you I only understood the importance of what you were saying after you described it so pardon me for rewinding a little bit trying to understand that a little bit better you're saying that somebody who's a a faith leader of the of the what would you describe yourself as a part of I'm sorry would it be a sacked or would it be like a you are confession no I don't think think site long as is any of those things we're a civil defense organization it's entrance entrance entrance I'm just I'm I want to clarify the faith component of it not the necessarily the organization we're a broad church what me me yes yes what I don't describe myself I don't know what I am there is the somebody comes along and says that it's not forgive them father for they know not what they do it's forgive them not father for they know what they're doing yes this is a dramatic change yes and so are you describing to me that this is an interesting thing that you heard somewhere or are you describing this to me as a part of a doctrine to which you subscribe is a part of a doctrine to which I subscribe subscribe but I can't tell you what that doctrine is called these just you know are there is are you is there a is there a Congress is there a are there is there a group of people who understand this to be the case and do you communicate with those people are you are you okay yeah and and do they is that a prevalent belief amongst people that you commune with not prevalent but it's big enough so generally what you would find is let's say I'm going to say this in a simplest simplest most childlike terms there about let's call it four and a half million white South Africans right so everybody can relate to that you're white most of your listeners are white we come from all of the same traditions you know same language whatever so we understand right we can distill that down to from four and a half million white South Africans about two million of them are perhaps right of center we can reduce that two million white South Africans to 200,000 true conservatives you know people who want to dig their heels in on all of this stuff of those 200,000 there might be 20,000 I spoke to you earlier about 25 50 whatever about call it 20,000 people who are safe lenders or who have moved to safe areas or who have become citizens of Orania that's it all white down in South Africa that many of your viewers listeners will know about and then you've probably got of those 20,000 you've got maybe 2000 people who kind of in an active manner so it's I mean it's minuscule okay minuscule by American terms it's nothing who subscribe in an active manner to this idea of they fucking lied to us about everything and now they have taken it as step too far and we need to get busy with this and if we're too damn stupid as I am to second guess the church fathers to hold a debate with the writings of Saint Augustine or Saint Thomas Aquinas then in my own simple simple simple simple way I'm going to do what I can and I'm going to begin with obvious stuff to me it's obvious that I won't eat the pig if it's the lowest form of food it's not like some big thing that I'm running around and I'm telling people Jesus is going to destroy you with lightning because I'm not eating the pig but you are no no no no no if I'm going to make an effort and I'm too damn dumb to know where to start if you pay me to paint your house I've never painted before I thought you were going to take the lead you knew that I was hard up for cash I'm not a dexterous person and this is the genuine truth I'm clumsy as full I can't work with my hands I was in America I was short of cash you thought well painting is an easy thing I'll give some in a few hundred dollars is a nice guy paint my house I arrived there on Tuesday morning you know the I thought I was just going to help you because I know I can't paint a house in the absence of your thing and in the absence of my knowledge what am I going to do for starters I'm going to scratch around for a little bit of sandpaper and I'm going to gently start rubbing and hope that you arrived before it's time to apply the paint that's a childlike illustration I don't know what I'm doing when it comes to religion who am I to apply my mind to disputing some genius of the 13th century but what I am capable of doing is saying these Satanists are the trajectory of their argument is clearly this is indisputable that at some point they will suggest to my youngest son that it is wrong of him to deny access by a man to his sphincter that he does not have full sovereignty over his sphincter and that that man has a need that has to be fulfilled somehow how can you deny that man to shove you up the asshole right this is clear we can see the trajectory nobody can dispute what I've just said yeah and in the absence of the intelligence required to and the knowledge and the experience and the what have you to deal with this matter adequately painting your house I'm just going to begin with the flipping basics and and there are a lot of you know as I say a few thousand people and it expanse a couple of 20,000 and then you see the views on YouTube and you think well it's perhaps going over a hundred thousand of people in South Africa who are in absolute despair given that we were the canary in the cold heart mine of the the changes in the West we were the people who were told blatantly right up front everything from for which you you stood as as racist nationalistic whites out Africans was wrong before they started with that stuff in Europe and Canada and Australia and New Zealand before they went in there overtly and said how dare you how dare you deny this perspiration lung can present the right to come into your country and get three free meals a day you were can say to solve you know in this hysterical manner that they always adopt how dare you we were the first to be told that everything was wrong the the core pillars of Australian New Zealand Canada and the USA were not overtly challenged in that manner in the late 1980s as they were in South Africa it that has come subsequently even though the societies were very liberal the real assault upon the core has been more recent so we've had going on 40 years to reflect on the fact that we're racist the Zulu colonized all of the the Bushman lands but they're not colonizers I am that I own too much money relative to the rest of the world even though I'm in the marketplace and this and that in the that every every everything about whites out Africans is politically incorrect and as I say there's been this kind of backlash among a few people who've said fuck it I can't do this anymore right you know I can't listen to a word they say because every time I do I end up buying into a into a train or a journey that concludes at the station where my son is obliged to humor a pedophile with his rectal cavity so fuck it I'm going to rebel he is all of it I'm going to start right from scratch I think it's interesting that what you're saying the rejection of the institutions makes perfect sense based on this I think that a lot of the listeners are hearing this and they're saying to themselves then what what about what about the what about the old testament then because the people who purport to be the old testament people are largely the ones who are perpetrating this is is the the observable phenomenon right yes and and what do you say to that I don't have an argument I discussed this with Dr David Duke and he made the point that there is no genetic evidence to support the argument that today's Jews are false Jews the all of the genetic evidence suggests that today's Jews are in fact the ears of that tradition therefore they are legitimate etc etc etc just so I am 100% clear David Duke says the genetic evidence is the Jews who claim to be the old testament people he says that that is and the evidence that he has available to him suggests that that's an accurate yes depiction okay right okay so now you sit with the fact that I've heard other people dispute that I don't forget I'm not intimately familiar with it myself and and I looked something up about four weeks ago that endorsed hit that endorses him I'm not saying he's absolutely right I lack the acumen to interrogate arguments about die ribo nucleic acid okay have you heard of them referred to as Ksar's before or exactly yeah I read a book in in prison I forget the title of it I want to say it was a text Mars book I don't know if that name stands out to you I don't know if it was actually text Mars I might be an accurate but I read a book that claims that they're that that's not what they are right that they were actually I want to say not Russian but Jason Terusche yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and so I'm so called occasion yeah the region that is presently roughly speaking Doug is Stan Chetchanyar Azerbaijan Armenia Georgia North Eastern Turkey and Northwestern Iran right so yeah I don't know I mean and that's a central thing are these people false or not but let's assume that they're not now we sit with this thing that their most senior religious text is the Talmud because it and it's called the Mishnetora meaning the second Torah the second law in the sense that a two-story building is taller than a one-story building not shorter because it's second and in the sense that two dollars makes you richer than your brother only has one dollar okay right so that's it as with the opposite interpretation being this comes second to that exactly right you're saying the second law is the greater law fundamentally yeah that's an interesting way yes yes okay all right is when all is said and done the the last most whatever word right and it's the missionator that declares that Jesus Christ was such an abomination in the eyes of God that God has condemned him to being boiled alive either in excrement or semen for eternity so this is and I mean we can talk all day and all night about these things and I'm sure that I don't have to I think you're more of a with these things and I'm it's not my field of endeavor or interest but the pointers that in principle we are confronted by the people who are most utterly opposed that to the notion of Jesus Christ being the savior of the Lamb of God that there's nobody I don't know that the Zulus are more against that than than the missionator than the Talmud spit it the Talmud makes it explicit that the arch foes of Jesus Christ are observant religious Jews yes that's black and white well asserted fact right no worries okay so you hate me it's fun I'm sure we'll we'll manage okay so where does that leave me in Ray the the Old Testament it leaves me at a crossroads of despair because I don't know anymore yeah but I have no other God upon who's most I can throw myself I have no other God it's the end for me I'm not now going to start searching for meaning in in Jane these people who you know go to church in India they move the crickets out of the way list they should stand on one of their feet I'm not now going to go fishing around in Islam or become a Jew or become an agnostic or become an atheist my my heart is sold on the idea of this one God who made this fantastic sacrifice which philosophy which philosophy which idea which idea has been to the extent of 19th the central pillar of the incomparable success of my people for 2000 years you know shortly after Christianity hit Europe not with standing Greek it's even not with standing Roman it's not with standing we all we all watch the history channel and PBS we're not mentally retarded we understand there were others who came before but one thing that cannot be disputed is that from the late what would you call it not ten hundreds from the late you know let's call it seven hundred as a as a random number not even an arbitrary number from the time that Christianity really got stuck into Europe human civilization took off in a manner that that can never be compared in all of the history of all of the world to the extent that the achievements of Christendom in the ten hundreds for instance the the flying buttresses of rowang cathedral ten eleven hundreds have never been replicated by any society in the world nobody else to the state the Chinese have not replicated that to the extent that the ballpoint pen was mastered and you can look this up who Gentile the former premier of of China made a special announcement in if I'm not mistaken his last year of premiership before Xi Jinping the prison premier took over so roughly ten years ago in early January of that year call it 2013 he made a special formal announcement him himself not the spokesman we Chinese finally have a domestically produced ballpoint pen the world could not produce a ballpoint pen Americans not only certainly not only but Americans likes out that for instance Australians New Zealanders Canadians nor Norwegian Swedes Dines and so on have by and large hopelessly lost sight of the virtues of our societies they don't have a sense of perspective on what we have achieved over two thousand years and the one commonality to all of that was a faith in a God who rewards you fairly in this life and the next if you do nothing and this is what makes Christianity unique there's no other religion not one if you do nothing but accept his approach to you so you don't have to pray a hundred times a day you don't have to slaughter a ball you don't have to jump over a hurdle you don't have to give money you you don't have to do anything but accept an idea you don't have to lift your hand you don't have to reach through through an act through a word through nothing you do nothing you have to only accept his hand when it's given down to you so that's my personal thing now I must go I must worry about all this minutism and there's there's no bullshit what I know for sure and you cannot convince me otherwise no matter how clever you are is that sticking your penis in somebody else's pukinnell is not equal to making a beautiful baby I can edit this part out I can edit this part out I want to be respectful of your time we've been going for a while this is going great I will very happily go longer if you like to if you want to set a time that we stop if you what what would you like to do about time Simon I hate doing long interviews and I'm somewhat notorious for for being rude to people who try to interview me for more than an hour I've become a bit of a cunt but both the other day and today for whatever reasons I don't know the Holy Spirit are these food I don't know but for whatever reason I just felt here's the moment just keep going okay do you want to I'll tell you we can keep going then if are you telling me that you keep going I'd like to do another hour but I'd like to have a cold drink and let's take a break okay all right great I hope that I have me too long when I'm loving this I'm loving this this is great I'm I'm and I and I got to tell you I'm if you don't mind my shoot my own horn a little bit I'm I'm feeling like I've done a good job getting some passion out of you this is great you have to I'm feeling and so you know we had to we had to we had to take a break it was getting a little hot there not that we want to turn down the temperature so this really leads us to you know the crisis of Christen them right I mean that's that's what it brings us to yeah I think I've struggled to encapsulate this stuff eloquently I mean it's taken so many hours of off camera and on camera conversation to achieve this I've battled I've struggled and I'm afraid that my boss is going to to listen to these podcasts and think to himself heavens above you know to get to the point make come and represent us yet do your job I feel like I've formed all over the show but it ultimately all of these nebulous all of these kind of things that are difficult to locate you know the war in Ukraine the invasion of Israel the failure of the Israeli intelligence services just seems in this very long winded way poorly described way to contribute to this idea that is not remote from state London's but is core to state London's our centre holds well in state London's we've got we've got a little group of Jewish members we have at least one Roman Catholic family that I can think of and then we've got various other you know Presbyterian methods whatever UK to mention and then we've got the Afro-Kona churches I'm talking about extrapolation or tradition notwithstanding what I said earlier about people not attending church it's state London I know of one family that attends church of all of the people I know in state London's person that I know personally but somehow all of those people's private convictions are easily reconciled within state London's because we can find commonality in a couple of basic things is there a likelihood of a catastrophe in South Africa yes is there a light motif that is to say a recurring theme in the west that appears to pertain to everybody including white South Africans in circumstances of civil war yeah absolutely we would say that the way that the US middle class is being ravaged by debt which implies value of money which implies income which implies consumer price index inflation etc etc etc is very very common to the the left wing for one to verbatim word the Marxist the whatever satanic the molekha whatever this assault on the west and I think if you gave me enough time I could do do an absolutely convincing job of of persuasively persuasively demonstrating that the sabotage of Nord Stream 2 is exactly as relevant to this conversation as the number of farm murders in South Africa it's all the same thing when you listen to the same voices you get similar end results out of disparate corners you you end up putting them on masks you end up having males changing revealing their their genitalia to young girls on swimming teams in the USA it's all common 100% so we don't struggle we don't struggle with fractiousness among our members there are lots of fights you know as you might expect in a voluntary organization where people are being held by their salary you can't misbehaving the office otherwise you're going to get fired I'm a voluntary member of state like I pay you I pay I pay a hundred and a month so I can say whatever I like in spite of that our center holds well because I disagree with your Christopher Cantwell's very apparent Dutch reformed leanings but we agree on 95% of the rest of the stuff that we will talk about when we look at what's going on in the world whether it's farm murders or the fact that it's now well proven or well demonstrated that US special forces blew up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and the effect on the German economy is that they've just gone into recession and that they're experiencing with the experience in September the largest number of bankruptcies in the USA I mean in a big a pot in Germany in something like 70 years it's all there so the the Nord Stream pipeline situation I think it's it's I consider it well established that western powers caused this to happen in some way and I didn't know about the number I didn't know the the record number of bankruptcies in Germany but I suppose that's a predictable consequence when you go disrupt the energy supply for sure and so I mean well yeah it is a predictable consequence so much of the stuff is predictable you know without getting too much into the racial thing I as a kid was called a Kulli booty and Kulli is a term which strictly speaking is of some sort of Chinese origin so that the poor Chinese laborers were known as Kullis somehow when Indians from India were brought to South Africa as indentured laborers to cut sugar cane they became known as Kullis right as a kid my family my own family used to call me Kulli brother because I instinctively the race thing was I've always been uncomfortable with hating people for what God chose them to be you know I just it doesn't sit easily with me right notwithstanding that the work that has been done in the field of race over the past four decades has left us with certain scientific facts that are absolutely different they are absolutely indisputable in as much as they are replicable those results can be replicated every single time is a so is a coconut as my dad would say so I say to you that the Nord Stream thing the decline of the the the German economy is just as predictable as if you bring in the results are just as predictable as the results of bringing in 10 million people whether it be into into Switzerland or the USA who do not share to the 90th percentile your genetic traits right one way or the other you're destroying this country you're depriving them of their energy you're depriving them of the the most irreplaceable asset the genetic stock of the population you replace your you're depriving them of one thing or the other their central organizing principle the religion whatever it is all of these things are fundamentally you know aimed at destroying the the people that at which they're in yeah it's an entirely deliberate thing and it's absolutely predictable it's as predictable as putting a pair a mating pair of weaver birds into a different type of weaver birds nest they lack the capacity over mating seasons to reproduce the first species of weaver birds nest you know those elaborateness that work upside down whatever was sideways these these birds okay maybe that's a bit of an extruder extruder example but it's the same with dogs it's exactly the same I've a Belgian melancholy Belgian melancholy behave the same way reliably all of the time and if I get a a a a a a a a sheep dog or a boxer dog it will never reliably there will be some overlap there will be some Mexicans who come into this country and do a better job of being white then you and I will do but for the most part they will not and therefore the nest the environment the ecosystem the the condition and the circumstance will be changed by those others it's it's it's scientifically impossible for it to remain the same now there's the counter argument ah but given that you're a white supremacist patriarchy patriarchy I don't know what they call these things they will do better there is that counter argument but if you take that argument seriously otherwise if you bring in enough blacks and endurance the society is going to be even better you are very very stupid well either that or you have a funny definition of better which which implies if it's not going to be better and it's not going to be the same it's either going to be different and let's say for one to forbid a word benign always going to be different and deleterious detrimental toxic bad whatever whatever whatever right and I would say to you that sadly there is no evidence evidence historical evidence for anything but detrimental yeah what you're saying will not reach the radical agenda audience as controversial when you take when you take a a people who have made civilization you know people's of European ancestry have pulled order out of chaos and created a thing that we call civilization and then you go and replace them with the people that they were civilizing and they're not any longer in control the the predictable outcome of that is at best de-civilization right yes yeah and and these things I'm I'm low to say them because we have struggled to garner the support of wealthy people in the USA and we're trying to raise money right so I have to be as as little offensive to those who have the most to lose as possible yeah I'm I'm hoping that somebody is going to make a donation that is large enough for us our circumstances as an organization that is endeavoring to implement a national emergency plan for civil war in South Africa materially I'm hoping that somebody's going to say buddy you're just the best here's a whatever 100 quadrillion or you know what I mean and I'm not going to achieve that by alienating conservatives mainstream middle of the road conservatives business owners who've got big bucks but my reality is that my conscience doesn't allow me to be deceitful on this matter yeah the simple fact of the matter is that that Christendom the historical societies of Christianity are being utterly rigged by values and behaviors of people who are alien to us yes now you know I think that and obviously there's shorter and longer paths to outcomes say but there's a there's a way of looking at this where you know those people who have these resources need to be made aware of the things that we're discussing because fundamentally there's a reason why it matters if there are if if whites are genocide in South Africa there's a reason why it matters if if whites are displaced in the United States and in Europe and we and we have all the white people in in Eastern Europe murder each other you know and that is that all of the things that these people have will be destroyed and so they can you know take a short term view of things and say well you know if I speak out of turn then you know the people who pay me are going to deprive me of the revenue that I have for the future and then you say well what fucking future do you think you're going to have if these people get what they want you know and so you know on top of the general compulsion towards telling the truth you know you know the truth rolls comfortably off my tongue too you know but you know it seems to me that we're not doing those people any fucking favors you know I'm sorry I you you have with very few exceptions managed to control the profanity I've tried to stay with you on that but now you've given me license if you will you know sorry for the S folks but the you know I I think that you know those people if they if they realize you know that all of the things that they're trying to protect will actually be lost then you know there's an argument to be made that that's a thing worth doing to yes yes it is and it's terribly sad that so many at least partly or apparently good people whoever they may be you know some guy owns a brewery in Minnesota very wealthy man and he's good to his wife and he's good to his kids and he's this and he's that and he's everything he's everything that you and I would like to believe is is right you know but he's not too sure about judging people on the basis of the fact that they came out of a jungle and Guy on it you know well you know you know on that in that note you know I've it we can get this can get lost sometimes when we when we get focused on it but I mean you know in the early days of the radical agenda becoming more racially aware you know I I made a point to draw the distinction between you know this is not a reliable means by which to judge individuals is the phrasing the precise phrasing that I frequently use right it's not you know it's not it's not a reliable race is not a reliable means by which to judge individuals yes but the aggregate effect of a large enough change in population is actually a reliable way of predicting the future and so like that doesn't mean that we hate somebody because of their skin color this is not an irrational aesthetic preference that we like the way these people look yes we are actually for for the you know for blacks in the United States their life will not improve under black rule as a matter of fact and we have evidence of this in Baltimore and you know any number of places yes you take Baltimore you know that the murder rate in the United States you you take blacks out of it is you know minuscule it's ridiculous you take the rate in Baltimore you compare it to some of the worst places in the world and it's competitive you know and so and that's what happens when when they rule themselves you know in South Africa you know under under the apartheid government I mean my understanding is the the black population expanded very substantially under white rule like nothing in history I could talk to you about it all down I'm quite afraid with the the figures yeah so I mean it the the fact of the matter is is that if you cared for these people yeah the last thing that you would want used to put them in charge of the government as a matter of fact yeah and so like when we're saying that you know we can predict the outcomes of what we're doing we're not we're actually not expressing by that simple fact a hatred but when we are met with the reality that these people are a threat to our safety it's it's hard not to have that reaction sometimes I guess yeah yeah yeah and it's a very very challenging thing you know because if you extrapolate it to its logical terminus it's discomforting huh it's really discomforting if you take what you and I are discussing to its logical conclusion there's some ugly stuff in there there's some stuff that makes me feel very uncomfortable I don't want to be that guy I don't want to be you know to wake up in the morning with a hard lines drawn between me and you know some some black person down the road I want to I want to be a little bit sloppy about these things but yeah it's it's it's really very very very very very difficult to to handle some of these subjects these questions of religion and faith and betrayal and World War 3 and this you know race and we we're in a crisis of of many a crisis of many colors if that's an acceptable expression a crisis of many of many facets we have a culminating series of crises all coming together towards this cataclysm I think it'd be a fair way to get encapsulated yeah yeah yeah you know that this is going to seem wildly off topic to some people but hopefully they will be enough of your your viewers and listeners who kind of can draw some kind of relevance from this but in last year I forget the month now a a submarine called the Belgorod slipped its moorings in Russia and it put to see and disappeared and there was a few days of absolute you know it's kind of high fever in NATO and what came out the leak was it just disappeared researching everywhere for it the reason was that it was believed to be carrying six torpedoes of 18 meters in length so 18 meters in feet would be 40 feet 18 and 18 and is 36 and 18 is 54 sorry 60 feet in length and over two meters in diameter and that they were carrying wall heads atomic wall heads each at least 500 times more powerful than the Hiroshima wall head and the torpedoes on 19 exist and the vessel it is known that it was built to carry those torpedoes and they they're completely autonomous so the vessel returned to bought a few months later and they could tell by the how high it was sitting in the water that it had it had jettisoned a meaningful proportion of its cargo so if it was carrying those torpedoes it no longer was those torpedoes in being autonomous can be left anywhere in the world and they will completely hibernate and they can be reactivated remotely to then swim at a hundred miles an hour for as far as 10,000 miles and be detonated remotely and the idea behind them is that you send them to the coast of the USA let's say to off the coast of Los Angeles you detonate the torpedo where the continental shelf emerges so at the steepest point you you create a wave that run you create a the wave under the water that runs into the continental shelf and then rears up as a mega mega mega mega mega mega tsunami and it inundates so that's an h of that weapon you know and if it's the case that those weapons have been deployed off the west coast of England that's a very big thing in the history of mankind I told this story on a radio show some months ago almost a year ago I mentioned it two or three times because the evidence for this is huge I won't bore your your listeners with the whole story and about six weeks ago the producer of that radio show got hold of me he said I need to talk to you man so we had a lovely chatty I said yeah okay will you speak you know give me 15 minutes whatever it's a European based global radio show and he said that story that you told me has bothered me ever since you mentioned it he said yesterday I was at an event I can't remember what it was let's say it was a wedding it doesn't matter and my friend introduced me to another dude as Commodore so and so of the Royal Navy so I thought to myself I'm gonna find out he said I got to know the guy we talked for ages I bought him some drinks blah blah blah eventually I said to him what do you have to say about the belgaron submarine placing six Poseidon torpedoes off the west coast of England and he said from the day that the belgaron disappeared we've been searching for those torpedoes day and night it is the main activity of the Royal Navy right now and has been for over one year okay so that's a cute fairytale my point is this if the things that we're contemplating you and I the miscellulation of your society the absolute corruption of all of our children an enormous catastrophic financial collapse in the USA as many very very brilliant geniuses are saying where's his radalia the head of the world's largest hedge fund he's part of the system and he's saying that it is already coming to an end we are about to experience a financial crisis that will make the fall of Rome look like a little girl's birthday party right so all of these worst case scenarios flipping nuclear bombs inundating England all of this stuff this potential that we're examining if that happens I think that it will have justified it will have what I'm trying to say is that we may be hysterical we may be neurotic we may be paranoid but there's so much out there right now that looks bad that I think that I should be taking the most drastic action that I can to safeguard my wealthy that I should be getting hysterical about it that I should be I should be behaving like a madman you know I don't think that what you're describing is hysterical at all right I mean you know the the prospect of missing nuclear weapons it's not a you know if if there's a potential for autonomous nuclear weapons to be anywhere on the face of the earth you know that is in itself a a potential catastrophe and you describe it as the main mission of the royal navy to go track them down and you know kudos to them for putting in the effort in the fact that we haven't heard about the found missiles yet is is no small matter and of course you know any one of these things right so you you have a situation where it is becoming when when you have a situation where the the the Pope of the Catholic Church is saying like ah you know the Bible was you know wrong about the gay thing don't worry about it you know when when you know that on its own is like hey wait a second right you know you you have a situation where a the the country that is supposedly the leader of the world is $33 trillion in debt with zero plan to pay it back ummm see it for running the printing presses all day destroying the currency ummm completely scrambling all economic activity on earth you know you you you mentioned the inflation before you know and you know forget about the prices doubling you know just the the chaos of trying to figure things out right you know I go to this I go to I've told the listeners a story you know I go to Walmart and you know the bigger problem than paying more for my groceries is that people are standing around in the aisles trying to figure out how much everything costs yeah okay you can't walk through the store because people don't know what to do yeah okay and so like you know that's that's with prices going up 10% or something you know you know the the economic cataclysm that that follows that is not is not you have to work harder it's it's substantially greater than that and it's global right and so I don't think that what you're describing is in any way hysterical especially when you know we're we're literally looking at you know they said one of the things that they said right before we started this thing as a matter of fact the headline just broke before we turned the TV off that the United States is moving our navy closer to Israel for something pertaining to the Palestine god it's like well what is the US navy have to do with this okay so you know and and Tucker Carlson's protecting there's going to be troops in Russia what is it what are they doing you know who knows so you know the the prospect of world war three is not fanatical by any street the imagination right and and uh you know the Nord Stream pipeline thing could have been world war three I mean you know the fact that we're not in world war three as a as an undisputed fact I would say the idea that we're not in world war three is a subject to dispute the the idea that we're not already there is subject to debate and so the idea that we would find ourselves there is not I don't think a controversial idea and so you know the idea that one would be trying to figure out what he would do in the situation of absolute chaos is not something that a hysterical person you think a hysterical person would be you know sitting home waiting for everything to be okay yeah that would be the hysterical behavior it's a you know are you familiar with Martin Armstrong the economist I can't say that I'm intimately familiar with him I know the name he has a computer that he built he's a bit of an autistic guy if that's the correct word called Socrates and he uses this computer apparently very successfully to predict markets and dares and that you name it and he asked Socrates about a year ago when will world war three begin and in an interview with Greg Hunter he he bashfully admits that you know he didn't expect this he didn't expect that he kind of half expected the computer to say oh Tush silly boy sort of thing and the computer said to him in January 2024 January 2025 so he endeavoured to change the parameters to say to the computer if Joe Biden is assassinated or if there's a new gold discovery or if the liberals win the election in Chile whatever he tried to change the inputs if whatever tremendous things happen does it change the answer and the computer refuse to change its answer regardless of any changes to the parameters all the important decisions have already been made yeah and I think that that's just a very very intriguing thing as we we stay down the barrel here's something that you may not know one commentator has recently spoken extensively about US debt right so the 33 trillion then they're all of the unfunded liabilities we all know about that we know that was it last Tuesday I think it was CBS did a vignette you know short little video on the US national debt per household and it's now $309,000 this commentator observed something from the congressional budget offices website there was so astonishing that I went to check and it's true it's a gospel truth the congressional budget office okay so here's the basic scenario the USA has receives about four trillion dollars a year in revenue for the government to spend so the government gets from this form of tax that form of tax the other form of tax roughly and it has to spend a couple trillion more than that one trillion of which so the budget is greater than the income one trillion of which is to service debt another trillion of which is to keep everybody happy so I earn a hundred dollars a month but I spend 150 you know you get the idea so how they do that is through loans and the loans have to be repaid obviously so that issue the issue treasury bills and tea notes and so on and so forth sovereign debt it's bought by the Japanese the Chinese whoever but it has to be paid back the one trillion dollar figure is now actually 1.2 so every year 1.2 trillion dollars has to go to that it has come out recently that from next year for various technical reasons for which I for whose description I lack the acumen like I can't give you an explanation proper description whatever but for various technical reasons it will go from 1.2 trillion not to 1.3 or 4.5 or 6 to 2 trillion dollars a year from next year so there's been a bit of staving off and delaying and postponing and what have you but the chickens come home to roost next year 2024 and this economist that wrote about this who revealed it that led to me going to check whether he was telling the truth does certain other mathematics in which he supposedly proves or demonstrates I don't know I don't have the PhD that would be required to refute him that there is no technical way not through the issuing of debt not through nothing there is no way that the largest financial crisis in history cannot occur as the result of that next year in other words that is the point at which the boil bursts it can't be saved off any further than that and I just thought that's a a nice anecdote with telling because it was so concrete yeah I mean you know I'm not familiar with the with the figures that you're discussing I mean you know we have had a few times shall we say where there's talk of the the financial sky falling and what always ends up happening is they shuffles and things around they engage in some kind of chicaneery and they say look at us we're so brilliant for having stopped this from happening and that's why you that's why you that's why you elect us you know and of course the the best case interpretation of that is that they staved it off a while you know and I think that many people have come to be skeptical shall we say of claims of the sky falling as a consequence of this yeah but obviously you know whether it's next year or whether it's before the end of this recording it's going to happen at some point that you can't you can't perpetually spend more than you produce you know at some point that's that's going to happen and so you know one way or the other you know that's gonna that's gonna happen and it's gonna happen not infinitely into the future for sure yeah no and I think that that that just leaves us in the position you know I say us there are reasons in Australia that we could talk about it Canada the USA the not-cony fix of the of I have a truck and a Susu yeah 2.5 liter D-tick and that my debt is ultimately denominated in dollars you know since South Africa the whole thing but but ultimately how much I pay every month if I've got a floating interest rate which I do have is largely or let's say ultimately when all is said and done it's dependent upon the value of the dollar yeah and and certain things in South Africa and what but that debt is ultimately denoted in dollars so the the world is gonna feel any true financial crisis in the USA notwithstanding our own nonsense in South Africa and it just leaves me like you know talking to you as we start to end as I get more tired as the the effects of the energy drink we're open my blood sugar changes because you know I'm a little bit hungry now and we kind of skipped lunch we we had a late breakfast and it's now going on for supper time as like the whole thing changes we kind of you know draw down to the end of this interview I just can't help thinking about what do you do what do you do how do we contemplate how do we or if if they do set off six whatever it is 200 kilo tonne mega tonne whatever nuclear weapons in the Irish sea and if the US economy does experience a major difficulty next year and if we in South Africa have riots and violence as we had two years ago just for six days but absolute may him how do you get through it I think that's a that's a question on many minds you know I think there's references in the Bible to a remnant right because it stand out to you yeah and I the passage or passages of this do not ring to my mind do it do any stand out to you I'm not somebody you can quite chat to in this okay but you know I think that there's that's a scary prospect I'd say you know but I mean basically the the remnant is what is left over after some you know cataclysm and you know it almost seems to me like that's that's what sideline does is a attempt to that is to preserve right yeah you know and when you're looking at these cataclysm you know sort of culminating in in that fashion I mean that's that's fundamentally what you're looking at it's you're not it doesn't seem to me let's just let's just talk about a scenario where all these things are sort of coming together at the same time you know whether it's whether it's a biblical prophecy or not you know you're looking at what is if not the end of the world the end of the world as we know it yes it certainly seems to me that that's a predictable consequence yes you know and so you know what you're what you're hoping to preserve is essentially you know the the the the the element of humanity that made civilization possible if you you're attempting to protect that from extinctions that civilization can perhaps rise again yes and I suppose that you know that's not a that's not a joy for prospect I wouldn't want to describe you know my my aim as aspiring towards that say you know I would I I you know when you tell me that this group of people believes that they've got to get world war three going because you know there's a time of peace coming there's an argument to be made that the activity ought to be to try to stave off the cataclysm because the time of peace is upon us you know but failing this yeah they they believe that they're God demands it of them and will judge them harshly if they don't bring it about yeah and so you know we it seems to be that if there's a if there's a from what you're describing and I I think that I can I from most of what you're saying I can observe plainly and and for those things that I haven't observed I I I take you as a credible source you know we're facing a situation where you know bad things are going to happen one way or the other you know you've got a the for what people to do I mean it seems to me that there's two tracks and maybe you don't pursue them exclusively you know do what you can to prevent this from taking place do what you can to prevent the cataclysm but prepare for the prospect that you know maybe you're the remnant yeah yeah yeah I don't know all I know is it's it's not looking good excuse me and it appears as if over and over and over again the west is in some ways the focus the object of this thing you you know I don't see for instance lgbtq penis out story hours happening very much in Vietnam I'm not picking up those reports and I follow the media closely yeah you know I'm I'm not hearing I'm sure that the lockdowns all over the world were terrible but I'm not hearing the golly g you should have seen what it was like in paraguay right no it's how people got locked in in camps in Australia and how truckers had the bank accounts shut down in Canada and how there was you know unbelievable shut down of small businesses in the USA you know it's and the european it's just like I'm not saying that everything that happens is let's say I was a kid I'm not saying I get more thrashings from my parents then that I get all of the thrashings I'm just saying that it seems to me that of the five kids whenever another the other kids get thrashed I get a little bit more than they do yeah you know what I mean yeah if if you do something wrong I also get a thrashing you know if there's something bad happening in the world the west is like the commonality yeah I don't know if the idea that what you're describing is plainly observable that the west white people chris and um you choose your categorization it's all the same people fundamentally are are being it's it's a it's a it evinces the design of a genocide okay yes yes and yes and and that's and that's not something that reaches the radical agenda audience is controversial we've discussed white genocide on here before and it's and it's in my view it's it's it's a plainly observable phenomenon you do not have immigration alone you know any number of things there's not there's nobody else that they do these things too and to the extent that they do reproduce in other places these are not they're not treated with the intensity that that they are here right and so you know in the in the black community in the United States they're not fond of homosexuals say okay but they they treat the they treat anti-LGBTP sentiment as as an element of white supremacy right which is preposterous okay because I I for a while I ran a website titled blacks hate fags.com and all I did was set up a news alert I get an email every day for transgenderism okay or transgender's and I'd find ever you know you hear every so often that's some some transgender gets murdered okay and all of these left-wing fanatics these LGBT blogs yada yada yada they like yeah the white supremacist you know cis heteropatriarchy is murdering you know trans women of color are this demographic that's the target of these Nazi monsters well you follow up on the stories two weeks later they catch the perp and you see his mug shot in every single time it's a black guy who is get a blowjob from a transgender prostitute he blew the fucking faggot's brains out in order prevent him from telling yes okay yes they don't bring that up yes because they're trying to push this you know in these communities and they and they don't try to discourage it in those communities okay and so the point being that this is yeah okay so there's there's black transgender people and they exist and they're murdering each other nobody cares fundamentally this is something that we're trying to push into white communities we're not discouraging you know homophobia as they like to call it in the black community you could make rap music and you could talk you could call people faggot and you could you know all of these because they're not trying to exterminate these people from the face of the earth by preventing them from reproducing you know you know all of these things certainly events the design of which you speak in South Africa it's just it's not to diminish the uniqueness of the situation that you face it's very it's clearly dire you know but it's it's it's part of a larger design yes yeah yeah that's that's exactly the thing and that's why we believe that this is the crisis of Christendom that it is a common crisis what the USA and Australia and New Zealand and Canada and Western Europe and South Africa are going through is one common event it's a bit like being on the Titanic the Titanic sank it sank for you it sank for me it sank for whoever you jumped off the port side I jumped off the starboard you jumped into a lifeboat I jumped into who knows what I was in my my tuxedo there there is some variety in the experience of it in the experiencing of it but it is one common thing well I'm going to ask you a difficult question and if you want I'll edit this out of the bit okay because this is this is difficult given what we're describing about a white genocide that's global in nature why the fuck should we be trying to preserve a white colony in Africa for two reasons the principle of it and because how how well this is going to go down I can edit it out I'm yeah you just decide for yourself what what will work best for your audience there was a series of prophecies made about a hundred years ago by a guy who said such preposterous things that he lost all credibility he was written off as a charlatan one of the prophecies that he made was that bearing in mind this is the 1800s and early 1900s that South Africa would be ruled by a black man that the South Africa would have a black government and that the the first black ruler on the throne would be the saint like figure clearly he was a madman clearly he should have been committed to a mental asylum there was no way that South Africa in a million years was going to be ruled by primitive apes as it were I say as it were the the whites of the time would have seen it that way and then it happened anyway to cut a long story short I've endeavoured to give him some credibility given that he made this huge series of prophecies that has been spectacularly correct in spite of their improbability he said that I'm going to reduce to simple English the commonly accepted understanding of of a series of prophecies that I'm not going to present them controversially or subjectively I'm going to just this is how they generally understood what they're understood to mean there will be a black president in the United States of America obviously that will never happen but this is what this old fool said this was a hundred years ago he's making this yeah okay yeah he was born a hundred years ago it's definitely unthinkable yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm sure that your audience can in 2007 you might have the irony in the facetiousness that I'm throwing in here in there he was born in 1862 and he died in 1926 I'll give some sense of perspective right so he would have started doing this stuff when he reached you know at all to 30 40 years old and ended the day before he passed away he said that that that black president of the USA will kind of muddle up the values of the USA he will be replaced by a white guy who's very tough very strong and who will endeavor to reorient the USA back to its traditional core values but that white guy would be mauled I don't know whether to death is the right word but he would be mauled he would be trampled underfoot by the establishment of the USA and that very exciting elsewhere the guy's described as a man who has hair resembling a wig with stern eyes he goes on in the series of prophecy you could say stern eyes yes stern you have hair resembling a wig a place in place goel gaufe metaphorically hair is emling a wig if you want the literal translation it is a fringe a plush deep fringe okay yeah and I actually tested with this about an expert on on that and she she said a hundred years ago that expression only meant one thing she said when we were kids this is woman of a corner woman she said when we were kids we would say that you know behind adult specs had the place goel gaufe he's got a and she said in what we meant was is here looks like a wig Walter met our type of hairstyle Donald Trump hairstyle that's how she explained it to me anyway he went on to say that a civil war would break out in Russia over a matter of land the issue would be land and he said that civil war would get out of hand and he went on to describe at some length events that would take place and he said that would be the beginnings of the third world war he gave a very particular description of how that would happen and who would do what to do and so on and so forth he said in that process the united kingdom would betray the USA's interest and the USA would abandon the UK we're not going to be your big brother anymore screw you and Russia would bury now I'm not speaking loosely would bury the united kingdom beneath the sea the waters would inundate it and the entire island would be beneath the waves and so prophecy that was never understood for a hundred years until the belgar submarine slipped its moorings in september of last year with those six Poseidon torpedoes and then supposedly put them in the iris sea who knows how to that is but he said the USA enters world war three the third great haystack there was a metaphor he used enters it late because it's preoccupied by serious problems at home and when it does enter I'm answering your question when it does enter Russia and the USA fight one another almost to the death so much that Russia is eradicated there is no more Russia and the USA what remains of the USA is a claim on Bernoulli Chalanki which means it's very difficult to translate this into English because there's certain and a total of these that you can't reproduce in English a small little insignificant country not just small small little and insignificant you can you can say that much more easily in Germanic languages a claim on Bernoulli Chalanki so much so that when afterwards the nations of the world sit around the peace table I don't want to mess this up the chair of great Britain is unoccupied and the USA sits at the bottom of the table and he went on to say to get to the point of answering your question that the northern hemisphere becomes more or less uninhabitable and that the the the the conservatives of the world there's a very particular word in Africa whose equivalent I don't know it means those who cling those who cling to what they believe and so the conservatives of the world move to two places Germany reestablishes the the right in the country of Namibia the former German colony in southern Africa and South Africa receives all of the Caucasian Christians who survive in South Africa now did you have a name for the guy who made this property what was it it was Nicholas fun Reinsburg I'm going to spell it in I C O L double a S so like the Dutch version of Nicholas V A N then Reinsburg R E N S B U R G okay was he is he a Christian man yeah you know it's interesting as you described as I had a conversation with a Christian woman not so long ago and I was telling her about my theory about some things that to describe it would detract from the point now but what she said to me she start what I said to her startled her you know and she was she said you know my religious views are such that you know God chooses unlikely people to do unlikely things for unlikely scenarios you know and what you're what you're describing to me sounds like such right that you know that of all the places for the white remnant to be yes it would be on the continent of Africa if I could but yes but you know if you think that that's unlikely then you know go to your kids fucking kindergarten and and hear them tell them about transgenerism exactly exactly so you know I think it's it's in this we sometimes call it clown world it's it's difficult to save it's difficult to rule things out saying you know and so I mean I'm not familiar with the prophecy that you've described but you know the idea that a black man will come to power in the United States and scramble the values then somebody else will you know be follow follow him and attempt to straighten it out and then he'll be mauled and he has stern eyes when I'm looking at the mug shot at Donald Trump not so long ago well you know if a man said that a hundred years ago yeah you know it's it's it's that's that's quite a guess yeah and so that that is that is quite a thing and so South Africa's where it should should the rest of his prophecy come true you know then I guess that's uh that's where we're going yeah yeah yeah we I don't harp on it you know because once you delve into mysterious stuff you lose three quarters of the I understand that when you say hey you know I need you to donate ten million dollars to my organizations so that we can fulfill the prophecy that a man made a hundred years ago it's it's not the most convincing sales pitch but you know again you know in in this world of unlikely scenarios you know I suppose you know and and what you know a thing that stands out is that of course you know Africa's not short on natural resources right you know if if the world was going to say the world was going to be destroyed and you were going to find yourself on some piece of dirt Africa's actually not the worst place to be not right no you know demographic aside yes the fact that the the fact that the majority population of Africa has not been particularly good at exploiting their natural resources might actually come and handy at the end of the world yes yes yes yeah and you know yeah the the world we live in today is just so much different than it was relatively recently I'm 52 years old in my teens my teens are like four thousand years removed from to that two thousand and twenty three you know everything was different we live in a crazy crazy world and if such such changes can take place then anything is possible yeah and you use the example of transgender you know who would have you know seven years ago yeah whatever um compared to seven years ago say anything is possible and now that we see the Ukraine uh uh uh going to war with Russia as the proxy of NATO Ukraine as the proxy of NATO going to war with Russia we saw we see Russia you know supposedly planting nuclear weapons everywhere uh last week uh uh mutual medvedev the former president of Russia said we have how did he said now we must enter world war three I think we're as well similar you can anybody can look at I I remember there's a I I remember a headline pertaining to world war three in Medvedev not so long ago I I I got what you're saying anything is I I almost hate to even do this but there's a name Alexander Dougan stand out to you yeah and um do you care to share any thoughts on Alexander Dougan uh I don't have many thoughts on Alexander Dougan except that he apparently you said to me earlier the fact that they're I'm gonna put words in your mouth quote you not very well but it was roughly along these lines the fact that they are so upset about it suggests that it's not meaningless I get I get the point that you're making that while you are not intimately familiar with the work of Alexander Dougan there's a lot of people bent out a shape about it therefore there must be some significance for they killed his daughter yeah that's exactly what I'm saying right clearly some people think that what he has to say is of such power that he's with assassinating you know it's uh I read his book the fourth political theory while I was in prison and um you know I thought it was a powerful critique of liberalism say but I I didn't I didn't personally think much of it and I was uh as you know I became friends with Victor Boot while I was in prison and I asked him about you know about Alexander Dougan I mean Western media is all hysterical about this guy they call him Putin's brain Victor Boot disputes this he's like he's actually not that big of a deal in Russia but you know as you describe to me the scenario that you're describing I mean what stands out to me is that you know basically the idea of like mutually assured destruction was sort of the foreign policy between the United States and the Soviet Union for a period of time and and Alexander Dougan observes this and says well you know basically it's not just mutually assured destruction with the United States is actually threatening to do is destroy the world fundamentally you know we will rule the world or we will rule its ashes one way or the other and he's like and I think that there people talk about Alexander Dougan trying to bring about the end of the world I don't think that that's an accurate interpretation of what he's saying he's fundamentally like if these people are going to threaten us with the end of the world or we're going to be under their fucking boot forever bring it on asshole like we're not going to let you do that you know and so you know faced with that you know the the scenario of planting you know missile splaces you know sort of you know seems to jive with with that theory of things in any case and so you know I think we should probably try to wrap it up would you agree but would you mind forcing do the absolutely yeah go ahead right right now all right Simon you spell out some dark scenarios for us friend and some potential bright spots say you know you are going to be at other locations we we mentioned these a couple of them briefly have you booked anything else since the last time we spoke or just forget about what you already plugged it's tell me where you're going to be that you already know of in your during your trip tomorrow Monday the I think it's the ninth of October I will hold a meeting with an Italian fraternal society I don't know what's the correct word Italian club maybe is the right word in New York City and the following days on Tuesday the 10th of October I shall celebrate remotely my beloved beloved dad's 80th birthday with my sons my three sons and I will be driving down to Tennessee where I have one television appearance and I think two radio interviews and three speeches arranged for me through October and well into November and after that I'm available or I will be available for people this is a fundraising tour but as we have said many many on many occasions and we've been put to the test and we've passed that test on every occasion it's a fundraising tour not a shakedown if somebody would like us to come and give a presentation a speech whatever and they can't offer much money it's a kind of you know are we in a prayer thing we'll gladly do it because it's not about the money it's about the message it's about the crisis of our people albeit we are endeavoring to raise money so that we can do our important work so that'll take me through to somewhere in November and then I'll be available to to go into the Rockies maybe into the Midwest or not or not it'll depend upon the next person who gets hold of me and says listen I heard your interview on with Christopher Cantwell on the radical agenda and G my church or my organization or whatever you know we would like it to come and speak or I've heard enough I'm sick of your voice but here's a nice check let's see what comes out let me ask you something when you do these other speaking engagements I have encouraged you to go all over the place during this interview obviously and that's for those who might be tuning in who aren't familiar with me I mean this is this is my doing and and I appreciate it because I think that we get more out of the guest that way when you go you give these speeches I mean are you centering in on themes you you you you you give prepared remarks can you tell me a little bit about what somebody might expect they come to see here the presentation is entitled the crisis of Christendom we begin purely because I'm coming from South Africa with a little 15 minutes introduction about what's cooking in South Africa some people really want to know that so we get that out of the way I'll tell them about the disaster that is South Africa at the moment and there's some shocking facts and figures that people not know you'll go through the numbers with them there exactly right do that for 15 minutes then I get into sketching the scenario that we find ourselves in in the world today and making it as as as gloomy and as bad as possible helping people to fully appreciate what are the implications of the war in Ukraine on grain in the world and grain prices we talk about inflation we talk about the the fallacy of COVID-19 the biggest betrayal of the Western world in all of history I would say and the vaccinations the excess deaths so we talk about what's in our area in what milieu do we find ourselves in what is circumstances do we find ourselves and out of that we begin to draw conclusions we we finish the talk with where does that leave us what do we have to do who are we depending on what are the solutions and I think that the speech ends quite well we speak with verb and we endeavor to be charismatic and vivacious and keep the audience's attention riveted which we have succeeded in doing in the past if anybody looks up my speeches in the USA that many that are online interviews maybe they will believe that we can captivate an audience and I mean you've you've spoken at some notable venues venues which would certainly be notable for the radical agenda audience I American renter sawn stand up can you can you name some other venues that you've been a featured speaker at well if we expand the different not the definition but the criterion to beyond venues I can say that's been on interview by BBC CNN sent a team out to South Africa for three days spent with me Russia today various German publications in terms of actual venues I think it's called the Northwest Imperative Cascadia Nationalist Solutions Conference Jared Taylor's American Renaissance on a number of occasions yeah we I mean we can be fast and you know that you've been on a lot of different you've been through the podcast circuit I mean you're an interesting guy and so I think that anybody who's you know trying to put an event together within this period of time would do well to have you there I as I think a a conclusion that a reasonable person would certainly region so Simon Roche you've been very generous with your time today and I take it as a very very very great compliment I have to say something I'm sorry to interrupt a big deal but I fear that I'm going to get myself into a lot of trouble we you and I have spoken at such great length I'm sorry for the rest of the world I apologize to all of you but for some reason that I can't explain I never ever ever do it and I can be quite an asshole about it I resent it and I become aggressive if people expect me to speak for more than an hour I don't think that it's fair and nobody else does it and I refuse to do it so please and I say this with love to everybody I am sorry I apologize but please do not be misled by these this interview by Christopher to believe that you can have two three four five six seven hours of my time the presentations that we do the speeches that we give are standard 40 40 minutes a presentation a fundraising presentation to a group of people in other words a full-on presentation as opposed to a speech at a venue at an event where we're one of 10 speakers 40 minutes but a full-on presentation is about an hour and 40 minutes with 20 minutes for questions not a minute longer than two hours I'm sorry well you know I am as I say you've been very generous with me and you you couldn't possibly spread that generosity much further and I feel it's a great privilege to me and a great privilege to the radical agenda audience that you've been so generous with your time tonight Simon Roche thank you very much for being on the radical agenda with me twice in just a couple of days I will I'm gonna play the outro music mute your mic and shake your hand that's it it's over then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America you know what do you call people you can't call them enemies and if we want to divide our society you can't do arms camps of enmity all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing a radical agenda of the event has turned into an opportunity to the left to push a racial and radical agenda implementing their radical agenda is the only thing they tell about their bad actors what they want to do here is ram their radical agenda down your throat this is great Americans these are people that want to see great things for the country you know they try and build a like a sort of a radical agenda it's not a radical agenda it's called the second amendment